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[fishonjazz]

I’m not a fan of scientism. I’m also not a fan of scientific materialism. And could go on all day on that subject. (But won’t, ever, on this forum, lol). Still, I don’t think my philosophy on that subject is relevant here, I am no enemy of the scientific method as a tool, and I think the Surgeon General is offering good advice in his address yesterday, so am not letting my personal attitude toward science as a sacred cow get in the way. I don’t think the misinformation/disinformation regarding vaccines is helping at all. But if you were to prefer to trust the anti-vaccine information(not suggesting you are), that’s your business. I think what he’s saying is simply an attitude that many “men of science” would have; I mean if it’s just an appeal from authority, I still do trust his info more than the anti-vaccine crowd. And I can still retain my anti-scientism frame of mind, while accepting that speaking out against anti-vaccine disinfo is a good thing. I do realize you and I are speaking of different things here, in actuality, and getting into it would not be relevant to the subject of vaccine disinfo…..

But, briefly, and as an aside, I really have always interpreted the dictum “follow the science” as shorthand for “apply the scientific method and allow the facts to lead the way to an answer”. I really have never interpreted it to mean “worship the science”. So I guess we disagree there as well, you seem to be actually using an innocent saying that simply is shorthand for “follow the facts, follow the evidence where it leads” to a place it simply does not usually lead. “Follow the science”=“Treat Science as a deity” is not the first equation that comes to mind. On the one hand, I know what you are cautioning against, but in this instance it actually seems silly, IMHO, it likely does not even apply in the sense you suggest, and just shows that your mind works different. At least different than my mind. Nothing wrong with that, but makes it difficult to connect with you at times, and I can understand why The Thriller would give up trying…..

Good post Wes

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No you are posting links from npr which is funded by the gates foundation and big pharm foh.

NPR keeps policies in place that separate marketing from the news division. By contrast, you are spreading the lies of grifters (Bigtree, Mercola, etc.) that profit directly from the disinformation they provide you.

 

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One of my huge pet peeves is anyone who says "science has to guide us" or we have to "follow the science". Science isn't a deity. You don't follow it. You don't worship it. It doesn't command you to do anything. Science is the method by which information is gained and it is the collection of knowledge that has been gained via the scientific process.

Some values are considered so universal and so basic that they are not mentioned in the conversation. When someone says "follow the science" in this type of context, they mean 'follow what the science says we need to do to support our values'. I'm surprised this would need to be explained.

 

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the science says we need to do

That is EXACTLY my point. Science does not say we need to do. Science isn't prescriptive.

What we need to do is an opinion. Science is made up of facts. Facts and opinions aren't the same thing. People using that phrase are dressing their opinions up as facts to give their opinions more authority. I believe that people pretending facts are opinions and opinions are facts is a big part of why we are having so many problems communicating. It doesn't sit well with me when people do it.

 

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That is EXACTLY my point. Science does not say we need to do. Science isn't prescriptive.

No, but our values are, hence my emphasis on the combination of science and our values. The values describe a goal, science tells us how to get there.

What we need to do is an opinion. Science is made up of facts. Facts and opinions aren't the same thing. People using that phrase are dressing their opinions up as facts to give their opinions more authority. I believe that people pretending facts are opinions and opinions are facts is a big part of why we are having so many problems communicating. It doesn't sit well with me when people do it.

I think you are missing a big part of the context of such discussions, such as here, when you literally snapped a small phrase out of it's context. Do you even disagree with the point I was making?

 

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No, but our values are, hence my emphasis on the combination of science and our values. The values describe a goal, science tells us how to get there.


I think you are missing a big part of the context of such discussions, such as here, when you literally snapped a small phrase out of it's context. Do you even disagree with the point I was making?

What I agree with, and effectively what I think you were saying is that our opinions should be informed by facts. Opinions aren't facts and facts aren't opinions, but opinions should be informed by facts. The path we choose to take should be informed by the facts we get from science. That is the concept we agree on, correct?

 

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What I agree with, and effectively what I think you were saying is that our opinions should be informed by facts. Opinions aren't facts and facts aren't opinions, but opinions should be informed by facts. The path we choose to take should be informed by the facts we get from science. That is the concept we agree on, correct?

Do you think values are opinions? I see them as distinct things.

However, that's closer.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Do you think values are opinions? I see them as distinct things.

However, that's closer.

Unless you are talking numeric values, yes. Moral values are opinions. They cannot be falsified.

 

[Miggs]

Good post Wes

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Wasn’t me homie.

 

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Unless you are talking numeric values, yes. Moral values are opinions. They cannot be falsified.

Well, since you seem to use definitions prescriptively,

o·pin·ion
/əˈpinyən/
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noun
noun: opinion; plural noun: opinions

a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.

Not all facts can be potentially falsified. Not all knowledge can be potentially falsified.

Simple categorizations pretty much always fail.

 

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Not all facts can be potentially falsified.

Now find a definition of 'fact'. Also suggest finding an authoritative source on the difference between fact and opinion.

A fact is a statement that can be proven true or false. An opinion is an expression of a person’s feelings that cannot be proven
BOROUGH OF MANHATTAN COMMUNITY COLLEGE

Facts: Statements that can be verified. They can be proven true or false. | Opinions: Statements that express a writer’s feelings, attitudes, or beliefs. They are neither true nor false.
MONTGOMERY COLLEGE

A fact is a statement that can be verified. It can be proven to be true or false through objective evidence. | An opinion is a statement that expresses a feeling, an attitude, a value judgment, or a belief. It is a statement that is neither true nor false.
PALM BEACH STATE

I just went down the list of results in a google search of 'fact vs opinion'. The last one even included 'value' right in their definition for opinion. I think you'll have a hard time finding a resource to back your claim of facts not being falsifiable. It is the thing that makes a fact a fact.

 

[carey-scurry fan]

NPR keeps policies in place that separate marketing from the news division. By contrast, you are spreading the lies of grifters (Bigtree, Mercola, etc.) that profit directly from the disinformation they provide you.

Every source and article you have posted is big pharm funded or the bill & melinda gates foundation. These are criminal cartels and mafias. Just accept the fact you have been duped played and tricked. The only disinformation in this thread has been blindly parroted by yes men like you. Sellouts enemy to the people. Murderous criminal machine supporters.