Jazz Offseason Plan

[Handlogten's Heros]

Exactly!

The benefits of being a loose lipped FO is that the media has a more favorable view, that's what an exchange of information gets you. If the Kings did this everyone would be laughing at their incompetence but you don't hear a peep about the well respected Utah Jazz FO.

The Jazz should apologize for making me do all the mental gymnastics to find out how they were going to duck it like everyone assumed. Part of me still can't believe it because there's no way this should happen with paid professionals. My company scrutinizes my travel expenses more than this.

Truly amazing that they could not sneak $1-2M in the JC Favs conversations or weren't willing to pivot if Favs dug in. Could have also swapped 27 for a second rounder and been in pretty good shape... I'm going to go ahead and say Udoka would have still been there.

I think this is part of the reason DL and Friedman are gone.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

And if you are dabbling your damn toes into the tax... please keep the second you sold off to remove the $300k or whatever it was from Rayjon Tucker from the books.

 

[KqWIN]

Truly amazing that they could not sneak $1-2M in the JC Favs conversations or weren't willing to pivot if Favs dug in. Could have also swapped 27 for a second rounder and been in pretty good shape... I'm going to go ahead and say Udoka would have still been there.

I think this is part of the reason DL and Friedman are gone.

The nature of the off-season made it even worse IMO. In a typical year the draft and FA are far apart and I can see how things can maybe get out of order with timing. But with the condensed off season you know everything was happening at once. There was no excuse for not having your ducks in a row. The Jazz have never gotten a deal from their own. Everyone gets a premium deal from us...Exum, Burks, Favors, Ingles....everyone. Of course they could not ask Favors and Clarkson to take a combined $2M less even after giving them player options.

The amount of money these blunders could cost down the line is crazy. I'd love to be the guy who explains how much they saved by moving Tucker after how they paid for drafting Hughes.

PS: Don't let this distract you from the fact that the Jazz got out maneuvered by the Knicks on draft night. We got the guy we wanted in the end but that's because we over valued him and could have gotten him anyways. Where are the NBA twitter nerds shaming the Jazz FO over all of this?

 

[infection]

The nature of the off-season made it even worse IMO. In a typical year the draft and FA are far apart and I can see how things can maybe get out of order with timing. But with the condensed off season you know everything was happening at once. There was no excuse for not having your ducks in a row. The Jazz have never gotten a deal from their own. Everyone gets a premium deal from us...Exum, Burks, Favors, Ingles....everyone. Of course they could not ask Favors and Clarkson to take a combined $2M less even after giving them player options.

The amount of money these blunders could cost down the line is crazy. I'd love to be the guy who explains how much they saved by moving Tucker after how they paid for drafting Hughes.

PS: Don't let this distract you from the fact that the Jazz got out maneuvered by the Knicks on draft night. We got the guy we wanted in the end but that's because we over valued him and could have gotten him anyways. Where are the NBA twitter nerds shaming the Jazz FO over all of this?

When you have guys like Woj and other talking heads praising the FO, it’s contagious. You don’t want to be the stupid fan who knows better than the most respectable guys in the biz.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The nature of the off-season made it even worse IMO. In a typical year the draft and FA are far apart and I can see how things can maybe get out of order with timing. But with the condensed off season you know everything was happening at once. There was no excuse for not having your ducks in a row. The Jazz have never gotten a deal from their own. Everyone gets a premium deal from us...Exum, Burks, Favors, Ingles....everyone. Of course they could not ask Favors and Clarkson to take a combined $2M less even after giving them player options.

The amount of money these blunders could cost down the line is crazy. I'd love to be the guy who explains how much they saved by moving Tucker after how they paid for drafting Hughes.

PS: Don't let this distract you from the fact that the Jazz got out maneuvered by the Knicks on draft night. We got the guy we wanted in the end but that's because we over valued him and could have gotten him anyways. Where are the NBA twitter nerds shaming the Jazz FO over all of this?

I didn't mind paying a small premium for JC... even though he may have only had MLE offers outside of Utah. Favs was just flat out silly. Just because you have the full MLE doesn't mean you have to give the full MLE. If you drafted Udoka doesn't that give you at least a smidge of leverage if you can't get a "premium" backup 5.

The other theory I have had is that they really didn't think that Conley was going to work out... so didn't see a huge salary crunch coming to keep things together.

 

[KqWIN]

I didn't mind paying a small premium for JC... even though he may have only had MLE offers outside of Utah. Favs was just flat out silly. Just because you have the full MLE doesn't mean you have to give the full MLE. If you drafted Udoka doesn't that give you at least a smidge of leverage if you can't get a "premium" backup 5.

The other theory I have had is that they really didn't think that Conley was going to work out... so didn't see a huge salary crunch coming to keep things together.

I do wonder if DL didn't care about tax implications because he knew he was on his way out...especially now that we know he was beefing with Quin. Daryl Morey 100% knew he was out of HOU and did not care about the damage he was doing before he left. Wouldn't surprise me if DL was indifferent to the future knowing he was not going to a part of it.

Smart teams tend to move all hell to avoid tax even if there aren't serious long term implications like we have.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I do wonder if DL didn't care about tax implications because he knew he was on his way out...especially now that we know he was beefing with Quin. Daryl Morey 100% knew he was out of HOU and did not care about the damage he was doing before he left. Wouldn't surprise me if DL was indifferent to the future knowing he was not going to a part of it.

Smart teams tend to move all hell to avoid tax even if there aren't serious long term implications like we have.

If that was the case and I was Ryan... I'd have cleaned the whole house then... JZ would be gone too. After the summer someone should have clued Ryan in to how bad that was. He shouldn't have had the keys during the season. Morey I believe was taking orders from Tillman and was indifferent. I wouldn't have DL up on the podium after the season talking about how "we will just have to see what Mike's market is".

I'm not super confident in JZ either... he came from the Milwaukee front office and those guys had several WTF moments last summer that showed they aren't exactly cap wizards.

 

[NAOS]

Stanley Johnson and Winslow are the defense first guys I would probably target at the minimum first before Frank. Those guys are probably even worse offensively but are more established defensively and can guard more positions.

I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but even if we surround Gobert with 4 all NBA defenders we are going to get crushed with Quin’s defensive principles. More than anything else we need him to get over his stubbornness and improve.

I keep saying this because there isn’t much room to make changes with the roster. All there really is to do is hope Conley wants to come back and that Ryan Smiths tolerance to pay tax is strong. Minimum guys aren’t going to save this team. We can’t be miles behind in strategy and that’s where we are with Quin. That’s where change and improvement has to happen.

So, with the room we have to maneuver, we need to acquire more established defenders.... but nvm it doesn’t reallllly matter emmk?

 

[KqWIN]

So, with the room we have to maneuver, we need to acquire more established defenders.... but nvm it doesn’t reallllly matter emmk?

It’s not one thing or the other. The biggest problem for me is Quin’s coaching and the defensive principles and habits he establishes. These minor moves are important but ultimately won’t make much of a difference until Quin changes his approach.

I don’t see the confusion with identifying some changes/needs as more important than the others.

 

[NAOS]

It’s not one thing or the other. The biggest problem for me is Quin’s coaching and the defensive principles and habits he establishes. These minor moves are important but ultimately won’t make much of a difference until Quin changes his approach.

I don’t see the confusion with identifying some changes/needs as more important than the others.

Look, you’re preaching to the choir. If anything, your takes this offseason have a greater resemblance to those that you were sparring with last offseason. Or, at least as far as I can tell. Your mope is the same, doe.

 

[KqWIN]

Look, you’re preaching to the choir. If anything, your takes this offseason have a greater resemblance to those that you were sparring with last offseason. Or, at least as far as I can tell. Your mope is the same, doe.

I don’t even know my takes from last season

I do know that the Clippers series really made me question Quin more than I ever have. Historical failures will change a man lol.

 

[jom2003]

It’s not one thing or the other. The biggest problem for me is Quin’s coaching and the defensive principles and habits he establishes. These minor moves are important but ultimately won’t make much of a difference until Quin changes his approach.

I don’t see the confusion with identifying some changes/needs as more important than the others.

just be grateful that we actually have a defensive principle.

Tough to do when your third best defender on the team is the 6'1 Mike Conley, whose deal expires in a few days. We hire Quin to coach players, not to cast some magic spell on a bunch of non-defenders to make them defend at high level.

****. He's almost done it with Niang, only for him to get completely exposed and exploited in playoffs.