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Favors to OKC in works (Update: Traded)

Handlogten's Heros said:
We need to see the protections here. We also got a second. I am not sure we didn’t do the equivalent of what Detroit did… moved back 20 spots to get off Plumlees money. Also remember when the Bucks gave up a first for PJ Tucker? They also got a second from Houston… so it was a swap of 24 for 31. It could be we are in the 20s and OKC is in the 30s. I want all the details before I get too hung up. There weren’t a lot of cap space teams and some didn’t want additional salary.

There is an outside shot we suck in FA and don’t use taxpayer MLE… if that happens can we use the trade exception and a second to get Nance? If the rumors are true that is doable.
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The TPE would actually be more interesting because whereas nobody was taking his contract but the size of his contract is perfect for a number of players. If Cleveland wants to dump Nance then get on the phone.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Semantics. We weren’t winning it all running it back with an identical core. We need to adapt on the fly; sign Gay or someone like that to have a shot, do something. And keeping Favors and signing Gay AND re-signing Conley would’ve brought on an absurd tax. Smith could pay it, of course, but why pay it when you can save the money and play Udoka? And/or sign a third center for far far cheaper. It just makes too much sense—unless of course the 1st is only top five protected. This added with the fact that Favors is just a crappy contract and it had to happen IMO.

As a side note, if we do sign Batum or Gay, with Butler, Ingles, Gay/Batum and presumably Udoka on the 2nd unit, Clarkson becomes much more expendable to me. I know Don might get butthurt but if we could flip Clarkson for a cheaper 3 and D guy mid-season (maybe Aminu shows something) then I think that’s a smart move.
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Yes but I prefer to say it how it is… we will hear that they had to do this to retain Mike… nope… they had to do it to save a billionaire 50M… while said owner already saves like 75-100m a year on taxes for owning the team and taking massive depreciation deductions… on an appreciating asset.

I dont blame him but I don’t love this narrative that it had to be done… Warriors will pay more tax this year than we ever have or will… maybe Brooklyn too… not being salty just want to make sure folks understand.
 
Not sure what @LoPo was upset about. If Rudy goes down to injury, there was no way favors was going to spell Rudy for a month or two. I was disappointed in favors last year. He looks like he’s out of gas. Even if we couldn’t unload favors, I’d be in favor of playing Udoka over him right now.

Yeah, it sucks we had to give up a pick. But I’d rather give up a future pick than trade a proven asset like bogey or Clarkson in order to shed favors’ salary.

Btw, what’s OKC doing with all these picks? Are they going to have a team full of rookies in a few years? Use them as trade bait to get some proven players? I like what they’re doing. They could be scary in a few years.
 
infection said:
The TPE would actually be more interesting because whereas nobody was taking his contract but the size of his contract is perfect for a number of players. If Cleveland wants to dump Nance then get on the phone.
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You poke around FA for Batum or Gay… but if it doesn’t work sign a minimum guy like Abdul Nader and trade for Nance. I have a whole blueprint I will lay out… it’s clear management is listening to me through some magic algorithm that Qualtrics developed… I will make sure it’s crystal clear for JZ.
 
You guys are weird lol. Everyone wanted to trade Favors/30 for a second round pick and in the end we may have just traded Favors and two second round picks for one second round pick.

What did people really expect? Plumlee who is a better player with the same salary got dealt with 37 and for 57 back.

This saves is so much money. Of course it’s frustrating because we didn’t have to sign Favors for that much but in the end it’s not a big deal and helps us tremendously.

If our offseason is getting Jared Butler and someone like Batum with the MLE while only losing Favors that is a huge win for our team.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes but I prefer to say it how it is… we will hear that they had to do this to retain Mike… nope… they had to do it to save a billionaire 50M… while said owner already saves like 75-100m a year on taxes for owning the team and taking massive depreciation deductions… on an appreciating asset.

I dont blame him but I don’t love this narrative that it had to be done… Warriors will pay more tax this year than we ever have or will… maybe Brooklyn too… not being salty just want to make sure folks understand.
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Those teams also play in what are essentially the two richest areas of the country. Smith’s a billionaire yes, but he’s not getting the tv money, gate revenue, merchandising income and so forth that those teams get. It’s just a sad fact. We play in Utah. They have bigger stars and play in NYC and the heart of Silicon Valley.

I hear you, I do, but they obviously think very highly of Udoka or wouldn’t have spent a 1st on him. Maybe he can even be better than Favors. He’s not some Tony Bradley bum. Dude might be a legit two player. Is it a money saving move? Obviously, no doubt. ButI also think it’s maneuver that makes sense for both the short and long-term for reasons beyond money.
 
The Thriller said:
Not sure what @LoPo was upset about. If Rudy goes down to injury, there was no way favors was going to spell Rudy for a month or two. I was disappointed in favors last year. He looks like he’s out of gas. Even if we couldn’t unload favors, I’d be in favor of playing Udoka over him right now.

Yeah, it sucks we had to give up a pick. But I’d rather give up a future pick than trade a proven asset like bogey or Clarkson in order to shed favors’ salary.

Btw, what’s OKC doing with all these picks? Are they going to have a team full of rookies in a few years? Use them as trade bait to get some proven players? I like what they’re doing. They could be scary in a few years.
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If we lost Rudy, I think we are close to a .500 team with Favors and Doke at C with a little help from a "small ball 5" addition. If we did lose Rudy for a month or two, that .500 play could be a big deal in making or not making the playoffs. I also think that Favors could be an asset for 10 minutes a game against certain big men.

I just think this was simply a cost cutting measure when our FO is trying to send some message that we are "all in".

I don't like this deal, but I'm moving on for now. If this is part of a bigger plan, I could feel differently about this deal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes but I prefer to say it how it is… we will hear that they had to do this to retain Mike… nope… they had to do it to save a billionaire 50M… while said owner already saves like 75-100m a year on taxes for owning the team and taking massive depreciation deductions… on an appreciating asset.

I dont blame him but I don’t love this narrative that it had to be done… Warriors will pay more tax this year than we ever have or will… maybe Brooklyn too… not being salty just want to make sure folks understand.
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Should we really pay 50M to keep Favors? Just for that fact alone it had to be done. It probably doesn’t happen if it’s a great player.
 
White Chocolate said:
You guys are weird lol. Everyone wanted to trade Favors/30 for a second round pick and in the end we may have just traded Favors and two second round picks for one second round pick.

What did people really expect? Plumlee who is a better player with the same salary got dealt with 37 and for 57 back.

This saves is so much money. Of course it’s frustrating because we didn’t have to sign Favors for that much but in the end it’s not a big deal and helps us tremendously.

If our offseason is getting Jared Butler and someone like Batum with the MLE while only losing Favors that is a huge win for our team.
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This. For over a month everyone was Jonesing to trade Favors. @Handlogten's Heros was one of the generals leading the charge. And now we’re gonna question it?
It’s a smart move when considering the interworkings of the roster and business side of things. Unless of course the pick is barely protected.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Those teams also play in what are essentially the two richest areas of the country. Smith’s a billionaire yes, but he’s not getting the tv money, gate revenue, merchandising income and so forth that those teams get. It’s just a sad fact. We play in Utah. They have bigger stars and play in NYC and the heart of Silicon Valley.

I hear you, I do, but they obviously think very highly of Udoka or wouldn’t have spent a 1st on him. Maybe he can even be better than Favors. He’s not some Tony Bradley bum. Dude might be a legit two player. Is it a money saving move? Obviously, no doubt. ButI also think it’s maneuver that makes sense for both the short and long-term for reasons beyond money.
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Yup… I just want to make sure people understa
 
Wes Mantooth said:
This. For over a month everyone was Jonesing to trade Favors. @Handlogten's Heros was one of the generals leading the charge. And now we’re gonna question it?
It’s a smart move when considering the interworkings of the roster and business side of things. Unless of course the pick is barely protected.
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The market ended up being worst case scenario and he became just a salary dump… 3/4 of a first round pick is kinda the price of doing business… draftflation I guess.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The market ended up being worst case scenario and he became just a salary dump… 3/4 of a first round pick is kinda the price of doing business… draftflation I guess.
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Cheer up. We got a top 20 pick type guy at 40 and dumped Favors which we wanted.

We gonna sign Batum on Monday which signals to Mike we’re serious and then gonna re-sign him the same day.
 
Any protection on that first round pick? We could be in the middle of rebuild by 2024 so it would be smart to put lottery protection on the pick
 
It's like I'm the gm this morning! Bye Favors!

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Wes Mantooth said:
Cheer up. We got a top 20 pick type guy at 40 and dumped Favors which we wanted.

We gonna sign Batum on Monday which signals to Mike we’re serious and then gonna re-sign him the same day.
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I’m already cheered all the way up homie! I’m all the way in… just want to make sure people know what it is. JZ got as good a deal as he could and we can move forward. I’m much happier today than I was yesterday at this time that’s for damn sure.
 
LoPo said:
If we lost Rudy, I think we are close to a .500 team with Favors and Doke at C with a little help from a "small ball 5" addition. If we did lose Rudy for a month or two, that .500 play could be a big deal in making or not making the playoffs. I also think that Favors could be an asset for 10 minutes a game against certain big men.

I just think this was simply a cost cutting measure when our FO is trying to send some message that we are "all in".

I don't like this deal, but I'm moving on for now. If this is part of a bigger plan, I could feel differently about this deal.
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We don’t need 3 centers. Especially a backup being paid what favors is being paid.
 
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