Rittenhouse

[Al-O-Meter]

I don't believe you. I expect you are taking a misstatement or an out-of-context quote and deliberately misrepresenting her.

Ocasio-Cortez wrong on several counts about unemployment

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a self-described democratic socialist and former organizer for Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidenti

www.politifact.com

I definitely don't believe you here. Let me guess, she was referring to those who crossed and then went to a border crossing station to claim asylum?

I agree that it is hard to believe someone could be that intellectually low wattage but it is AOC we are talking about. She was referring to those who were apprehended while crossing the border fence illegally. She believed that was not a crime so long as they were seeking asylum only to have official in charge of border enforcement inform her of the exact law with the legal code that was being broken by illegally entering the country outside a port of entry even if you are seeking asylum.

 

[Release the Kraken]

My 2c. Although I'm an ardent gun control advocate, I was rooting for Rittenhouse, a young man who'm I thought got caught up in the right wing rhetoric and ended up in an untenable situation. Miraculously, cell cams managed to catch most of the salient exonerating evidence on film and nobody but his attackers suffered a hit by one of his stray bullets. (Had there been a black victim, I think there'd be riots and a lot more political pressure as well.) So the young man gets a second chance and I hope he makes the best of it. I will say though, that after viewing some of the interview on Fox, that I'd hoped he might be a bit more contrite for his own actions. I'd like to hear him say that he'd made a terrible mistake because there's something terribly wrong with a 17 year old showing up as one of many vigilantes with automatic weapons in America. And that's doesn't even begin to factor in taking another person's life.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I'm an ardent gun control advocate
...
with automatic weapons in America.

With all due respect, you should take some time to learn about guns. It would make your gun control arguments stronger to use correct terms. There is no evidence that anyone there that night had automatic weapons and Rittenhouse for sure did not.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

My 2c. Although I'm an ardent gun control advocate, I was rooting for Rittenhouse, a young man who'm I thought got caught up in the right wing rhetoric and ended up in an untenable situation. Miraculously, cell cams managed to catch most of the salient exonerating evidence on film and nobody but his attackers suffered a hit by one of his stray bullets. (Had there been a black victim, I think there'd be riots and a lot more political pressure as well.) So the young man gets a second chance and I hope he makes the best of it. I will say though, that after viewing some of the interview on Fox, that I'd hoped he might be a bit more contrite for his own actions. I'd like to hear him say that he'd made a terrible mistake because there's something terribly wrong with a 17 year old showing up as one of many vigilantes with automatic weapons in America. And that's doesn't even begin to factor in taking another person's life.

His lawyers would have told him not to admit to any wrongdoing, as there is still the potential for civil action against him. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him, at least compared to the people he shot. This case went the way I thought it would.

Now the Arbery case, if at least two of those guys aren't convicted, I do expect uproar. I have a hard time charging the neighbor with murder when he supposedly didn't know the other two had guns and was following and recording, but I haven't been following close enough to know if there are other details regarding the neighbor's actions that put him in a worse light.

 

[Dkeaton024]

I'm just going to say Ben McAdams and leave it at that.

It doesn't matter. They'll vote in a ****ing clown vs the most moderate damn near a Republican Democrat there is in the USA. Not just a moderate, but a pro. The guy was good at being a congress person. He was thoughtful and intelligent and had Utah's interests at heart. He's served Utah for many years and then went to Congress and did a fantastic job for our state. So the reward, we vote in a non-Utahn clown. An incompetent idiot.

If Utah can't support Ben McAdams then they don't deserve nice things.

I agree, but what was Owens whole campaign? Painting McAdams as an extreme leftist that voted with the party all the time. That was his entire campaign. You know why it worked? Because Democrats make no effort where they aren’t “pre-adored” as Bill Maher put it. McAdams was super milk toast, and he lost because of how toxic the Democratic Party has made itself to some. Democrat is as bad as any vulgar language outside everywhere but super urban/city areas.

 

[Dkeaton024]

Nah dude. It's the leftists fault for running super leftists for congress like Ben McAdams.

If only AOC had voted for the infrastructure bill, that was going to pass with or without her vote anyway, then the democrats would win more elections.

Just because they aren’t on the ballot in name doesn’t mean they aren’t attaching themselves to the party. McAdams isn’t what people saw as toxic, his party is. And look at progressive ballot initiatives that all passed in Prop 4, 2, and Medicaid expansion. When you remove the Democratic Party the state votes for more progressive things. When McAdams has to shield himself to the toxic dump of leftism the party has become to a lot of people yes he lost. He also lost due to good gerrymandering as well. Ever notice how he called himself an independent and not a Democrat the entire campaign? It’s because there’s a whole lot of people who simply hate what the Democratic Party has become.

 

[Dkeaton024]

Yes. It was pretty obvious that he was merely trolling. I have no problem discussing things with people who have different political views. But there’s got to be some civility and some attempt to listen. After his 6th straight post of, “leftists leftists leftists **** you leftists leftists leftists **** you” it became obvious that he was yet another trashy account from one of our trashy trolls. Dutch could definitely be a possibility. Do we know if jazzy was a Dutch alt? I remember that one guy that posted a lot of crap the Babylonian Bee. Do you? What was his name? Political fan or something?

This dude fully makes my point for me. He can’t fathom someone just is willing to treat leftists like leftists treat everyone else.

 

[Dkeaton024]

I disagree with you and James Carville. The Democrats likely getting waxed is a function of centrist bi-partisan hacks like Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema openly blocking and neutering legislation for corporate overlords at the expense of their constituents. Any delay of the infrastructure bills is on their hands. What AOC advocates for is extremely popular among leftists, Democrats, and even Republican voters on occasion.

The Democrats pay lip service to AOC and her agenda only because they know that's what the citizens of this country desire. The power she wields derives from her popularity. When it's time to take action she and her agenda are frequently marginalized. You see the democrat party propping her up. I see her and people like her (Bernie) being pushed out of the real discussions.

You disagree with her agenda so find ways to call her an idiot. This is easy to do as she says a lot of things and the media loves nitpicking the stupid **** she says. However, the things you've pointed out have little to do with how right she is on the plight of the working class in this country.

Anyways, back to Rittenhouse?

Then you live in a bubble and have never asked anyone outside your bubble why they hate the Democratic Party. Not right wing idiots, but voters who have voted Democrat in their lives, but can’t stomach it now. And it’s people like AOC they’ll mention very first. Someone like Andrew Yang is a Democrat that tried to reach out. It’s really quite simple.

 

[One Brow]

Ocasio-Cortez wrong on several counts about unemployment

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a self-described democratic socialist and former organizer for Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidenti

www.politifact.com

Thank you for confirming that you were misrepresenting what she said when you claimed "She has a degree in economics and doesn't understand basic concepts like how the unemployment rate is calculated.", because there is nothing in that article about how unemployment is calculated.

I agree that it is hard to believe someone could be that intellectually low wattage but it is AOC we are talking about.

It's hard to believe this is an accurate description because this is you we are talking about.

She was referring to those who were apprehended while crossing the border fence illegally. She believed that was not a crime

What she said was that such people are typically not charged. Think about the difference between that and what you claimed for a moment.

 

[One Brow]

This dude fully makes my point for me. He can’t fathom someone just is willing to treat leftists like leftists treat everyone else.

That would imply you treat people with acceptance and respect, which you clearly do not.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Thank you for confirming that you were misrepresenting what she said when you claimed "She has a degree in economics and doesn't understand basic concepts like how the unemployment rate is calculated.", because there is nothing in that article about how unemployment is calculated.

Bottom of the page: "In any case, the BLS does not use either of those factors in determining the official unemployment rate."

What she said was that such people are typically not charged.

No, that is not what she said and not what she was thinking. Her statement was in response to claiming that children are separated from their parents whenever an apprehension for any crime takes place, not just illegal border crossings. She thought she had a gotcha by saying that wasn't applicable here because there was no crime in crossing a border outside of a port of entry, they were seeking asylum. At least she was smart enough to see that she'd been embarrassed and had nowhere to go with that line of questioning.

 

[gandalfe]

At least she was smart enough to see that she'd been embarrassed...

So... smarter than you.

Sorry, but you left it sitting there, I just had to pick it up.

 

[Safetydan]

Then you live in a bubble and have never asked anyone outside your bubble why they hate the Democratic Party. Not right wing idiots, but voters who have voted Democrat in their lives, but can’t stomach it now. And it’s people like AOC they’ll mention very first. Someone like Andrew Yang is a Democrat that tried to reach out. It’s really quite simple.

Nah dude, I'm talking about ****ing reality. I know exactly why people outside my "bubble" hate the Democratic party and IDGAF because they're buying into right-wing propaganda when they, Like yourself, spout talking points straight from The Daily Wire. I hate the democratic party too bro, but, at least, I have a solid grasp as to why.

The post above is a fantastic example of the brain rot that afflicts this country. When right-wing propagandists have their hooks so deeply into you that you think that the Left is simultaneously to blame for

1. Pushing culture-war ******** to the forefront of media discourse
2. The party faction responsible for not getting things done for working-class Americans.

In the video you posted, Andrew Yang is talking about the real reason that Democrats aren't more loved is that you can't point to a single substantive thing they've done to improve the lives of the average working-class American. He's ****ing right. However, It blows my mind that you think this is somehow the left's fault when fighting for the real material improvement of the conditions of the working class is their primary goal. That's what they're trying to do.

You've fundamentally misread what is the left is striving for. You're over here with AY asking why the democrat party hasn't done anything and you buy into the right-wing propaganda, hook, line and sinker. Leftism is actually vilified because they threaten the power structures that exist today. Find me an actual leftist media person that strongly advocates for something like the decommodification of housing or other radical ideas that has the financial backing of billionaire money.

As is implicated by your post, if you actually want what Andrew Yang wants, you should be pushing for leftism.

 

[Release the Kraken]

With all due respect, you should take some time to learn about guns. It would make your gun control arguments stronger to use correct terms. There is no evidence that anyone there that night had automatic weapons and Rittenhouse for sure did not.

My bad, I intended to say assault style not automatic, but was working within a time constraint here at the High School where I teach. Not a gun control argument by me so your comment in that regard is a straw man.

 

[Gameface]

Very good summary of the verdict

 

[Al-O-Meter]

My bad, I intended to say assault style not automatic, but was working within a time constraint here at the High School where I teach. Not a gun control argument by me so your comment in that regard is a straw man.

It wasn't meant to straw man your argument. I was merely addressing the term you used in your preamble to motivate you to put requisite time into forming what you want to say. If you say the constraints of your teaching job don't allow for it then I'll take you at your word. I am happy that you do seem to know the distinction between an assault style and automatic weapon. Kudos.

 

[One Brow]

Bottom of the page: "In any case, the BLS does not use either of those factors in determining the official unemployment rate."

Nor was AOC commenting on how the unemployment rate was being calculated.

No, that is not what she said and not what she was thinking. Her statement was in response to claiming that children are separated from their parents whenever an apprehension for any crime takes place, not just illegal border crossings. She thought she had a gotcha by saying that wasn't applicable here because there was no crime in crossing a border outside of a port of entry, they were seeking asylum.

Except, that's not what she actually said. Listen again to your own video. Feel free to find the part where she said it wasn't a crime.

Perhaps you feel you now have mind-reading powers (certainly, this is not the first time you've claimed to know what a person is thinking, as opposed to what you see or hear), and can say therefore that 1) Ocasio-Cortez meant to say there was no crime instead of people not being charged, and 2) that her thoughts were clearly wrong, even though 3) what she actually said was true. I disbelieve your have mind-reading abilities.

At least she was smart enough to see that she'd been embarrassed and had nowhere to go with that line of questioning.

More mind-reading? Perhaps she saw Homan was simply unresponsive and was running out of time.

 

[The Thriller]

I can't help but to think that a big reason why many on the right hate AOC is because she's so attractive. If she had been a 60 something overweight white dude with the same beliefs, I don't think we'd see near the vitriol. Just my opinion.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Nor was AOC commenting on how the unemployment rate was being calculated.

AOC said the unemployment rate was low because of 2 factors. The fact checkers at Politifact said those 2 factors do not figure in to the unemployment rate. Either AOC didn't know, or she did know and was lying in an effort to misdirect. Either way, the words that came out of her face regarding the unemployment rate were wrong.

Except, that's not what she actually said. Listen again to your own video. Feel free to find the part where she said it wasn't a crime.

I'm aware of the exact words she used, but the argument you are making is predicate on AOC being too stupid to understand how to form a coherent argument. I guess I give her more credit than you do. Homan was talking about standard procedure at the time of apprehension for any crime. He never used the word "charged" either. Drunk drivers aren't separated from their kids when they are charged. They are separated when they are apprehended. The charge doesn't come until after the driver is in custody, breath or blood evidence has been processed, and the DA has decided to pursue charges. It works backwards in Grand Jury trials where a person is charged first, but again the person isn't separated from their kids until they are apprehended. The whole thing is about what happens when people are apprehended for breaking the law. AOC's argument only makes sense if she believes they weren't apprehended for breaking the law.

 

[gandalfe]

I can't help but to think that a big reason why many on the right hate AOC is because she's so attractive. If she had been a 60 something overweight white dude with the same beliefs, I don't think we'd see near the vitriol. Just my opinion.

That's certainly part of it. To be honest, her voice itself annoys me, so I just read what she says and cheer her on.