Rittenhouse

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Look man. This is the justice system we have. Just like you I’m not that thrilled to see a 17 year old in that situation. Fact is, media lied about the facts of the case, being a political thing I guess, so it’s hard for me not to feel the way I do. I don’t consider myself left or right. If you really think about it we need both ideologies. Both opposites attract. I value both. But when this all went down he was painted as an extreme white supremacist that shot and killed black people in a shooting spree. This is completely false. And no evidence in the trial surfaced to substantiate any of these claims or that he was just there to shoot people up.

 

[One Brow]

If she was smart she’d see how damaging her garbage is to the party, and vote in favor of a bill that benefits her constituents lives.

Legislators often makes calculated calls. Likely Ocasio-Cortez knew the bill would pass without her, so voted "no" out of protest.

 

[One Brow]

She has a degree in economics and doesn't understand basic concepts like how the unemployment rate is calculated.

I don't believe you. I expect you are taking a misstatement or an out-of-context quote and deliberately misrepresenting her.

She didn't know it was illegal to cross the US border outside of a border crossing.

I definitely don't believe you here. Let me guess, she was referring to those who crossed and then went to a border crossing station to claim asylum?

She took a victory lap at keeping Amazon from revitalizing a warehouse district in NY for their new HQ2 that would have added a boatload of $100k+ jobs because she didn't understand the difference between a corporate headquarters and a distribution warehouse.

You say that like this is a bad thing.

AOC never goes anywhere that she isn't adored because she doesn't have the mental horsepower to keep from being exposed as an idiot by even neutral parties.

She's adored in Congress? Have you ever listened to here question anyone in committee?

If you are impressed at her ability to prep for delivering soundbites then your bar for who impresses you is set really low.

So, if we were to set a high bar, which politicians impress you?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

The Democrats pay lip service to AOC and her agenda only because they know that's what the citizens of this country desire. The power she wields derives from her popularity. When it's time to take action she and her agenda are frequently marginalized. You see the democrat party propping her up. I see her and people like her (Bernie) being pushed out of the real discussions.

You have my opinion wrong. I do not think the democrats are propping her up. I think they see her as a problem. She’s not as bad as Rashida Tlaib, who right now is sponsoring a bill to release all inmates from Federal prison, but there is cringe from the mainstream democrats every time she opens her mouth.

I also agree that AOC derives her power from her popularity, but that very noisy group she’s popular with isn’t large enough win outside of random tiny pockets, and those pockets are not the working class areas of the country. I’d love to see her take on Chuck Schumer for his Senate seat, but I don’t think AOC has enough general appeal to take a statewide election even in super-blue New York.

With AOC, democrats are caught in a precarious position of not being able to go full AOC and not wanting to piss off her noisy base. The result is lip service and being pushed out of the real discussions.

You disagree with her agenda so find ways to call her an idiot.

Not at all. I disagree with Paul Krugman but I don’t think he’s an idiot. I think he’s wrong but he’s not a stupid man. I think AOC is an idiot because she’s not a smart person. She’s cute, gives a good sound bite, knows how to play to her base, and is very idealistic but she’s not an intellectual powerhouse. She’s just not.

Anyways, back to Rittenhouse?

Meh, it is over. There will be lawsuits and whatnot but 6 months from now hardly anyone will remember his name. America is very short attention span these days. I think if you asked 100 people the name of the Special Council for the DOJ who investigated Trump-Russia collusion, possibly 95 of the 100 wouldn’t be able to tell you even with clues like “was portrayed by De Niro on SNL”.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I don't believe you. I expect you are taking a misstatement or an out-of-context quote and deliberately misrepresenting her.

Ocasio-Cortez wrong on several counts about unemployment

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a self-described democratic socialist and former organizer for Bernie Sanders' 2016 presidenti

www.politifact.com

I definitely don't believe you here. Let me guess, she was referring to those who crossed and then went to a border crossing station to claim asylum?

I agree that it is hard to believe someone could be that intellectually low wattage but it is AOC we are talking about. She was referring to those who were apprehended while crossing the border fence illegally. She believed that was not a crime so long as they were seeking asylum only to have official in charge of border enforcement inform her of the exact law with the legal code that was being broken by illegally entering the country outside a port of entry even if you are seeking asylum.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

My 2c. Although I'm an ardent gun control advocate, I was rooting for Rittenhouse, a young man who'm I thought got caught up in the right wing rhetoric and ended up in an untenable situation. Miraculously, cell cams managed to catch most of the salient exonerating evidence on film and nobody but his attackers suffered a hit by one of his stray bullets. (Had there been a black victim, I think there'd be riots and a lot more political pressure as well.) So the young man gets a second chance and I hope he makes the best of it. I will say though, that after viewing some of the interview on Fox, that I'd hoped he might be a bit more contrite for his own actions. I'd like to hear him say that he'd made a terrible mistake because there's something terribly wrong with a 17 year old showing up as one of many vigilantes with automatic weapons in America. And that's doesn't even begin to factor in taking another person's life.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I'm an ardent gun control advocate
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with automatic weapons in America.

With all due respect, you should take some time to learn about guns. It would make your gun control arguments stronger to use correct terms. There is no evidence that anyone there that night had automatic weapons and Rittenhouse for sure did not.

 

[TheGoldStandard]

My 2c. Although I'm an ardent gun control advocate, I was rooting for Rittenhouse, a young man who'm I thought got caught up in the right wing rhetoric and ended up in an untenable situation. Miraculously, cell cams managed to catch most of the salient exonerating evidence on film and nobody but his attackers suffered a hit by one of his stray bullets. (Had there been a black victim, I think there'd be riots and a lot more political pressure as well.) So the young man gets a second chance and I hope he makes the best of it. I will say though, that after viewing some of the interview on Fox, that I'd hoped he might be a bit more contrite for his own actions. I'd like to hear him say that he'd made a terrible mistake because there's something terribly wrong with a 17 year old showing up as one of many vigilantes with automatic weapons in America. And that's doesn't even begin to factor in taking another person's life.

His lawyers would have told him not to admit to any wrongdoing, as there is still the potential for civil action against him. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him, at least compared to the people he shot. This case went the way I thought it would.

Now the Arbery case, if at least two of those guys aren't convicted, I do expect uproar. I have a hard time charging the neighbor with murder when he supposedly didn't know the other two had guns and was following and recording, but I haven't been following close enough to know if there are other details regarding the neighbor's actions that put him in a worse light.

 

[Dkeaton024]

I'm just going to say Ben McAdams and leave it at that.

It doesn't matter. They'll vote in a ****ing clown vs the most moderate damn near a Republican Democrat there is in the USA. Not just a moderate, but a pro. The guy was good at being a congress person. He was thoughtful and intelligent and had Utah's interests at heart. He's served Utah for many years and then went to Congress and did a fantastic job for our state. So the reward, we vote in a non-Utahn clown. An incompetent idiot.

If Utah can't support Ben McAdams then they don't deserve nice things.

I agree, but what was Owens whole campaign? Painting McAdams as an extreme leftist that voted with the party all the time. That was his entire campaign. You know why it worked? Because Democrats make no effort where they aren’t “pre-adored” as Bill Maher put it. McAdams was super milk toast, and he lost because of how toxic the Democratic Party has made itself to some. Democrat is as bad as any vulgar language outside everywhere but super urban/city areas.

 

[Dkeaton024]

Nah dude. It's the leftists fault for running super leftists for congress like Ben McAdams.

If only AOC had voted for the infrastructure bill, that was going to pass with or without her vote anyway, then the democrats would win more elections.

Just because they aren’t on the ballot in name doesn’t mean they aren’t attaching themselves to the party. McAdams isn’t what people saw as toxic, his party is. And look at progressive ballot initiatives that all passed in Prop 4, 2, and Medicaid expansion. When you remove the Democratic Party the state votes for more progressive things. When McAdams has to shield himself to the toxic dump of leftism the party has become to a lot of people yes he lost. He also lost due to good gerrymandering as well. Ever notice how he called himself an independent and not a Democrat the entire campaign? It’s because there’s a whole lot of people who simply hate what the Democratic Party has become.

 

[Dkeaton024]

Yes. It was pretty obvious that he was merely trolling. I have no problem discussing things with people who have different political views. But there’s got to be some civility and some attempt to listen. After his 6th straight post of, “leftists leftists leftists **** you leftists leftists leftists **** you” it became obvious that he was yet another trashy account from one of our trashy trolls. Dutch could definitely be a possibility. Do we know if jazzy was a Dutch alt? I remember that one guy that posted a lot of crap the Babylonian Bee. Do you? What was his name? Political fan or something?

This dude fully makes my point for me. He can’t fathom someone just is willing to treat leftists like leftists treat everyone else.

 

[Dkeaton024]

I disagree with you and James Carville. The Democrats likely getting waxed is a function of centrist bi-partisan hacks like Joe Manchin and Krysten Sinema openly blocking and neutering legislation for corporate overlords at the expense of their constituents. Any delay of the infrastructure bills is on their hands. What AOC advocates for is extremely popular among leftists, Democrats, and even Republican voters on occasion.

The Democrats pay lip service to AOC and her agenda only because they know that's what the citizens of this country desire. The power she wields derives from her popularity. When it's time to take action she and her agenda are frequently marginalized. You see the democrat party propping her up. I see her and people like her (Bernie) being pushed out of the real discussions.

You disagree with her agenda so find ways to call her an idiot. This is easy to do as she says a lot of things and the media loves nitpicking the stupid **** she says. However, the things you've pointed out have little to do with how right she is on the plight of the working class in this country.

Anyways, back to Rittenhouse?

Then you live in a bubble and have never asked anyone outside your bubble why they hate the Democratic Party. Not right wing idiots, but voters who have voted Democrat in their lives, but can’t stomach it now. And it’s people like AOC they’ll mention very first. Someone like Andrew Yang is a Democrat that tried to reach out. It’s really quite simple.