Unfortunately I predict you are right on that front.Off topic, it’s gonna be funny as hell in the playoffs when we’re getting torched defensively and Quin refuses to go small ball with Gay at the 5.
Off topic, it’s gonna be funny as hell in the playoffs when we’re getting torched defensively and Quin refuses to go small ball with Gay at the 5.
Playing Gay at the 5 isn’t going to help the other 4 guys stay in front of their man. The problem the Jazz have had is they have like 1 guy on the roster that can defend against guys that can shoot, drive, and dish. We’ve been exposed against teams that can play 5 guys at a time that can do that. The Jazz have been too damn small, old, and slow in too many spots to defend it and they didn’t address it with wing defense.
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Well that’s predominantly on Mitchell. Conley is older and he was never a special defender. He’s small. Bogey doesn’t have the lateral quickness to be great. Mitchell has the athleticism to be an elite defender. It was his forté in college. I don’t think he’ll ever be one though. Not here anyway. I don’t think he’s challenged enough here. There’s no elite player to demand it from him. Or coach who has the balls to demand it. He’s somewhat coddled. And the whole he expends so much energy on offense is nonsense if anyone goes that route. We have Conley, Bogey, Clarkson. This isn’t three years ago…there’s no reason he can’t up his effort on that end. We’ve had enough elite two way players in this league to prove that: Lebron, Giannis, Durant, Paul. My gut though is we’ll never see that here from him.
I'll just post in this thread rather than spamming the others. There are those who are believing he must be cooked because nobody has picked him up yet. He's had injuries the past couple years, but when he came back from injury at the end of last season, his lateral quickness and spunk looked fine.
(above video is to just watch him move physically, these aren't typical highlights by any stretch of the imagination)
One of our big issues with any guard play is that if someone is moving fast, such as in transition or if they've inbounded the ball quickly, they can usually run right to the rack. Another issue is screening. We don't really have the physical capability to go over on screens. A lot of our guys get completely mitigated by screens. Royce is a bigger/thicker guy and his body isn't cut out for slipping over the screen. Perhaps Conley might be the best but he may not have as much quickness laterally over the screen and being lighter overall makes it harder for him to go through the screen, so we can certainly give up open threes if the other team wants them (just like we can give up rebounds in the clutch when the other team wants them). Chris Paul getting inside the key is going to kill us. The only mitigation we may have on this is Rudy Gay being able to cover for Gobert when he goes out to challenge. We did disrupt the lob pretty well when we played Atlanta but I'd imagine Chris Paul would beat that. If Paul shoots over Rudy, that's problematic as well, so it's not simply allowing Rudy to challenge. It would be nice if you had an option for a body you could throw on him that makes him really work if he wants to get to those spots, if not be able to reduce those shots all together. The specific defensive need we have will get exploited and we'll be caught thinking our counter is just more of something else to compensate for it. Unless we're throwing it in the ocean, this will be the weakness in the Death Star that a few rebels just need to shoot at to blow up the entire operation. Oh, but that Death Star cafeteria food is sooooo good. Why worry about some little small weakness where an unlikely hit takes the whole thing down when there's shrimp scampi on the menu?
We need to sign Dunn yesterday. He needs the Forrest minutes. Give him 12 mpg this season and then have him up your sleeve for the playoffs. Forrest isn't even eligible for the playoffs on a two-way. We're talking about ways we can land certain guys who play marginally better defense. Make the Oni-for-Dunn swap and we'll set this league on fire. I'll give it the infection championship guaranteed seal on this one. I'll back this up with a money-back guarantee that I will give back twice as much money as I was paid for this opinion in the event that any party is unsatisfied with the ultimate results of the season.
You're going to have to elaborate on that. What does Utah want that Forrest is doing? Forrest is coming in and is able to handle the ball and give relief minutes to Conley and not mess things up too much. I think you'll find any of the shortcomings of Dunn are also going to apply to Forrest.He isnt cooked, he just isnt good and doesnt fit what Utah does at all. Forrest is better for what Utah wants.
I believe there'd be as strong of an argument to give Dunn playoff minutes as there would be to give Clarkson playoff minutes. That's not to say that it would play out that way or that Quin would actually give those minutes, but I think the argument would be just as strong. Our "historic offense" is there to facilitate playing someone like Dunn 10 mpg. Otherwise, we'll have "historic collapse" or continue to put up "historically bad" clutch numbers where we fall apart at the seams.There's no reason to sign a player who at best is marginally better than Forrest and interrupt Forrest's development as a smart steady backup PG.
Forrest has been very good lately. He doesnt do anything flashy, but he always makes the right pass and is good enough to put pressure on the rim while having that aforementioned ability. He's got the ability to make others around him better despite not being all that great himself.
Dunn doesnt have that. I will give you he's a more impactful man defender, certainly more aggressive, but Forrest fits the offense much better. The reality is we arent putting Dunn into a playoff game because he's going to entirely **** the offensive flow up. He's a bad bad bad offensive player on all fronts.
He's a decent defender. With how poor our team is on individual defense it would make him relatively good by comparison. But in the amount of time as 10 mpg, we're needing a microwave defender. Someone who's the defensive Clarkson equivalent.And opponents have a defensive rating of 97 when Forrest is on the court btw. If you look at the lineup data, all the non-garbage time lineups he is in perform excellent.
It's the garbage time lineups he is in that struggle.
(all small sample size of course)
Our historic offense can facilitate guys like Royce, players who have next to no on-ball talent but can shoot and are high IQ ball movers.I believe there'd be as strong of an argument to give Dunn playoff minutes as there would be to give Clarkson playoff minutes. That's not to say that it would play out that way or that Quin would actually give those minutes, but I think the argument would be just as strong. Our "historic offense" is there to facilitate playing someone like Dunn 10 mpg. Otherwise, we'll have "historic collapse" or continue to put up "historically bad" clutch numbers where we fall apart at the seams.