Coronavirus

[JazzGal]

My friend broke her ankle in a fall yesterday. They stabilized her foot and sent her home to await surgery, maybe sometime next week. Holidays and full hospitals.

Leaders ask for COVID-19 precautions as southern Utah hospital is over capacity

Southern Utah hospital over capacity; Utah reports 1,406 new COVID cases Wednesday

Intermountain St. George Regional Hospital remained over capacity largely due to COVID-19 patients, and state health officials reported 1,406 new COVID-19 cases on Wednesday.

www.ksl.com

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[TheGoldStandard]

Garbage. The South African dataset conclusively disproves the truth of your statement.

Garbage? No, your thoughts on Covid are the only thing that are garbage in this thread. WHO says they need at least 3 more weeks to determine if Omicron is less severe. And early studies are not finding evidence that Omicron is less severe:

Omicron infections appear no less severe than Delta; COVID-19 lowers sperm count, motility

The following is a summary of some recent studies on COVID-19. They include research that warrants further study to corroborate the findings and that has yet to be certified by peer review.

www.reuters.com

No evidence Omicron has lower severity than Delta variant: UK study

The study by researchers from Imperial College London in the UK estimates that the risk of reinfection with the Omicron variant is 5.4 times greater than that of the Delta variant

www.business-standard.com

Omicron largely evades immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses | Imperial News | Imperial College London

The Omicron variant largely evades immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses according to the latest Imperial modelling.

www.imperial.ac.uk

The study finds no evidence of Omicron having lower severity than Delta, judged by either the proportion of people testing positive who report symptoms, or by the proportion of cases seeking hospital care after infection, the authors of the study said. This same study found that protection from past infection of other variants provides as low as 19%, which is really not good. Those without a booster also have very little protection. And those with a booster, protection against infection was only 55-80%.

Experts agree that the South African data is anecdotal/not conclusive. Over 80% of the small group tested was under age 50, which they attribute to the high vaccination rate in S. Africa for the population over 50. The majority of unvaccinated in S. Africa that have contracted Omicron are also young, which tend to have mild cases of any variant. There is limited data to show the impact against the usual demographics that Covid hits the most, which is over 55 and/or health compromised.

If anything, the South African data has shown that Omicron spreads much faster and the mRNA vaccines appear to be somewhat effective against hospitalization/severe disease, as the large majority of Omicron patients (with current limited data) are unvaccinated.


The morbidity factor (not just death) is also unknown, so we don't know how the impact will be here.

Even if "less severe", which early data is inconclusive, the fact that we will see a lot of breakthrough infections likely means we may be worse off that we were at the start of the pandemic in regards to having our hospitals overwhelmed.

I'm hoping (but not optimistic) that the vaccinations and prior infections end up providing more protection than what early data from the UK shows.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Garbage? No, your thoughts on Covid are the only thing that are garbage in this thread.

It is not just my thoughts. I'm guessing you didn't see the latest from Dr. Fauci addressing the South African dataset.

Yes there is one Imperial College study, that has NOT passed peer review, being cited by flat-earth science deniers in the 'Govern Me Harder Daddy' crowd. The real world data out of South Africa shows that completely unvaccinated people with an Omicron infection had far lower hospitalization and mortality rates than did the unvaccinated against prior strains of wild type, beta, and delta. Fauci's explanation for the data is that he believes it is possible a large portion of those unvaccinated in South Africa has previously been infected by another strain and so had preexisting immunity which would explain why the unvaccinated in South Africa fared so well with Omicron infections.

Fauci may be correct. I certainly don't know of any data to contradict him. Preexisting immunity from prior infection may be the explanation but to deny reality in the data of the unvaccinated in South Africa puts you in a dubious camp of science deniers. Your statement is so bad that it can't even be chalked up to ignorance of the South African data because to believe your statement requires that you believe natural infection confers no immunity at all and the ONLY way to have any protection is through the vaccine. Your garbage statement relies on a binary of vaccinated or unprotected, and doesn't allow for Dr. Fauci's reasoning to explain the South African data.

Enjoy your Imperial College computer model "study" falsified by the current mortality statistics in the UK.

 

[Deleted member 365]

“Govern me harder daddy” crowd?

What crowd is that? The ones who demand farm subsidies? The ones who demand bailouts when trade wars make their crops impossible to sell? The ones who demand we spend 5x as much in defense as the 2nd place country (China)? The ones who demand that government keep its hands off their Medicare? The ones who elected a strongman because the free market automated their jobs away? The ones who don’t want anymore elections because thinking and persuasion is too hard? The ones who demand that libraries don’t offer offensive books? The ones outlawing private business from making decisions? The story below is happening Here in Utah:



The sooner we adults get over this binary “one side wants government to govern harder” 4th grade talking point, the better off we will all be.

People want solutions. Right now Covid has for two years been a major disruption in the lives of billions. America will be coming up shortly on 1 million people dead. Each person leaves behind a family and friends. Thousands more suffer from long Covid. If instituting “govern me harder” policies like vaccine mandates and vaccine passports ends this pandemic, then so be it. We need solutions, not anymore of this childish “I want muh freedom without any responsibility” talk

 

[Al-O-Meter]

If instituting “govern me harder” policies like vaccine mandates and vaccine passports ends this pandemic, then so be it. We need solutions, not anymore of this childish “I want muh freedom without any responsibility” talk

If you'd like to show your support for the GMHD cause while also looking festive, there is a holiday themed GMHD shirt.

 

[One Brow]

If you'd like to show your support for the GMHD cause while also looking festive, there is a holiday themed GMHD shirt.

You can not possibly be so dense as to think that shirt indicates belief in favor of required vaccinations.

 

[Deleted member 365]

If you'd like to show your support for the GMHD cause while also looking festive, there is a holiday themed GMHD shirt.

Wow. That’s seriously your response?

And you wonder why people don’t engage you seriously on here? Sheesh.

 

[Deleted member 365]

One of if not the biggest problems with social media and smartphones is that it’s too easy to puke out to everyone the first thoughts that pop up in your head. There’s maybe wisdom in using smartphones less. If posting onto social media, use a computer. It might cause you to think for longer before you post something stupid.

I’m personally trying to use my phone less. Hopefully it results in better post quality…

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You can not possibly be so dense as to think that shirt indicates belief in favor of required vaccinations.

I know that art is open to interpretation but of course it is in favor of the required vaccinations. It shows two vaccines in the left shoulder representing the first two doses of the mRNA vaccine, and one in the right shoulder to represent the booster. Support for vaccine passports is also proudly in the center of the piece with the QR code displayed prominently. The figure of non-specified gender and ethnicity is also donning a mask imprinted with a ball-gag to show the actions we take to keep those around us safe are more important than empty words. It is a strong, supporting message with a very tasteful touch of holiday whimsy that GMHD's can take pride in showing the world how they feel.

 

[Gameface]

I know that art is open to interpretation but of course it is in favor of the required vaccinations. It shows two vaccines in the left shoulder representing the first two doses of the mRNA vaccine, and one in the right shoulder to represent the booster. Support for vaccine passports is also proudly in the center of the piece with the QR code displayed prominently. The figure of non-specified gender and ethnicity is also donning a mask imprinted with a ball-gag to show the actions we take to keep those around us safe are more important than empty words. It is a strong, supporting message with a very tasteful touch of holiday whimsy.

You're a full on...

How you ever intended to be taken seriously is ruined. You have repeatedly ignored points made against your arguments, which to me is the biggest of big red flags. You do it over and over and over. You do not acknowledge the point made, you do not counter it, you don't account for it at all. You just move on to your next talking point.

I'm going to say this again and then I'm going to say it again after that. When people counter your argument you completely ignore that. You act like it never happened. Your next several posts will be non-sequiturs attacking tertiary points the other poster made while pretending the main point was never addressed.

Okay, here's the third go... You seem to intentionally misinterpret what other posters are saying. You ignore that they've made a solid argument against a thing you've said and act like they made a different argument. They haven't. An honest person, aka not you, would address the point they made. You are not engaged in honest discussion so you do not do that.

Have a nice life, troll. This will be the last time I acknowledge your existence.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Wow. That’s seriously your response?

And you wonder why people don’t engage you seriously on here? Sheesh.

Sadly, I don’t wonder. I know that is just how many people are. At the beginning of the pandemic there were people on the political right who didn’t believe in the severity of SARS-CoV-2 or of the safety of the vaccines. I could show statistics and break things down at the molecular level. It didn’t matter. They’d cherry-pick some article that echoed their preheld opinion, and insist on more data even after I had showed them the data.

Now it is the same. I can show raw data showing what Omicron does and doesn’t do. In response people cherry-pick articles that echo their preheld opinion and insist on more data even after I had showed them the data. The exact same people who a year ago were talking how important peer reviewed science is now rely on garbage papers that aren’t peer reviewed.

It is possible I’m wrong, but I don’t believe the hesitance to engage with me if they don’t agree with me in advance has to do with my posting funny shirts.

 

[Gameface]

Everything I've seen seems to indicate Omicron is less severe.

I don't really think that has anything at all to do with daddy government or injections.

Once again, avoiding the actual point of things. Like a ****ing troll *** troll. Like an absolute piece of ****. Like a ****ing liar. A liar. A dishonest person who works to obfuscate the facts being discussed. An actual bad person. A bad person. A bad person.