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Trade deadline discussion

Release the Kraken said:
Obviously you make a great point, I mean I was astounded when I looked at defensive ratings. But with load management and age and that trick hammy he will miss games. And when that happens we suffer. Maybe now is the time to get off him when his price is high.
I mean I’m fine with Grant but would prefer a Shai Gilgeous Alexander Lou Dort combination or something similar to fill the void left by Conley but with some size.
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Do you think OKC is going to give up SGA and Dort for Conley? I guess maybe you are referring to a hypothetical scenario?
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Do you think OKC is going to give up SGA and Dort for Conley? I guess maybe you are referring to a hypothetical scenario?
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Just threw it out there. Hypothetical, the numbers don’t line up and Alexander probably has a no trade clause or something. San Antonio could use a vet and I’d be all over Murray and White. As ridiculous as it may sound to some folks, Conley for Simmons probably makes the most sense for both parties.
 
LoPo said:
It's unpopular, but I would trade Conley. He's having a good year right now and is healthy so his value is high. In the playoffs, we will again have issues with Don, Mike and our lack of other good perimeter defenders.

Jerami Grant to Utah
Simmons to Detroit
Conley, Olynyk, and Detroit picks to Philly

Maybe we add Cory Joseph to the deal too if Detroit doesn't want him.



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I don't think that's unpopular at all. Many of us would welcome a Conley trade. I just don't think there's any way to get equal value considering the size of his contract. We overpayed to keep a good guard that just does not give us what we need. Plus he's a good guy, so they won't look at moving him.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
This year we have won 0 games without Mike. Our offense without Mike has been very dependent on Mitchell heroics. Ingles has mostly looked old. Butler hasn't shown anything yet.

I really wish we could be less reliant of Conley at this point, but the fact is we can't let him go.

It's also worth mentioning that Conley has been our best perimeter defender this year.
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Last year, we won almost every game without Mike. It's regular season basketball.

The true test is playoff basketball. I don't have faith in Rudy, Don, and Mike with anybody else on our roster having what it takes to go the distance. Those three create a massive dilemma covering the perimeter adequately enough.

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LoPo said:
The true test is playoff basketball. I don't have faith in Rudy, Don, and Mike with anybody else on our roster having what it takes to go the distance. Those three create a massive dilemma covering the perimeter adequately enough.

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i agree that a tandem of 6 foot nothing guards is generally not a winning formula in today’s NBA.
 
Release the Kraken said:
Obviously you make a great point, I mean I was astounded when I looked at defensive ratings. But with load management and age and that trick hammy he will miss games. And when that happens we suffer. Maybe now is the time to get off him when his price is high.
I mean I’m fine with Grant but would prefer a Shai Gilgeous Alexander Lou Dort combination or something similar to fill the void left by Conley but with some size. Conley for Simmons works - we’d be a defensive juggernaut!
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Malcom Brogdon
 
Ehhh … Mike is really good. Look this team is a second round exit unless they are 100% healthy and Don goes nuclear. Hope Rudy is a little more effective and just hope you get a little luck. If a JC for Marcus Smart trade comes along then maybe I can change my opinion but even then there is nothing that pushes us from fringy contender to favorite or even co favorite.

This team is fun… the window is now… but the window is barely even cracked open. I’m just gonna enjoy it and pretend we are a plucky under dog.

With regard to Jerami Grant… I like him and all but I think he’s super overrated out here. I’m not even sure he’d be an upgrade over Bogey… but Bogey might be our most underutilized offensive weapon. Grant is theoretically what we need but in reality I’m not sure he’s the defensive stopper/force folks think he is here… once guys start putting up big numbers on offense the defensive dirty work becomes super unappealing and it doesn’t just come back.
 
Here's the trade:

Move Hughes and Udoka anywhere and for anything (besides salary).
Sign Dunn. Sign Johnson.
Waive Oni.

You've now made some shrewd and underrated basketball moves and you've also made some really good financial decisions.

Then watch Quin not use either guy and we flame out in the same fashion. At least your tax bill is lower.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Ehhh … Mike is really good. Look this team is a second round exit unless they are 100% healthy and Don goes nuclear. Hope Rudy is a little more effective and just hope you get a little luck. If a JC for Marcus Smart trade comes along then maybe I can change my opinion but even then there is nothing that pushes us from fringy contender to favorite or even co favorite.

This team is fun… the window is now… but the window is barely even cracked open. I’m just gonna enjoy it and pretend we are a plucky under dog.

With regard to Jerami Grant… I like him and all but I think he’s super overrated out here. I’m not even sure he’d be an upgrade over Bogey… but Bogey might be our most underutilized offensive weapon. Grant is theoretically what we need but in reality I’m not sure he’s the defensive stopper/force folks think he is here… once guys start putting up big numbers on offense the defensive dirty work becomes super unappealing and it doesn’t just come back.
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Grants’s D on kawhi was one of the main factors to nuggets coming from 1-3 down to winning that LAC series. He plays a much bigger role on offense now for Detroit but when he's focused on D we know he's capable. Very much like Barnes, may not be as offensively polished as Bogey, but they are more well rounded as players and can give us different looks when needed
 
The defensive weak link in our starting guard rotation is not Mike Conley. I guess it could be argued that because Donovan is such a poor defender we need someone who is capable of making up the difference. That guy certainly isn't Brogdon who is probably a worse defender than Conley.
If we are going to be a significantly better team defensively, then Donovan has to step up.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
The defensive weak link in our starting guard rotation is not Mike Conley. I guess it could be argued that because Donovan is such a poor defender we need someone who is capable of making up the difference. That guy certainly isn't Brogdon who is probably a worse defender than Conley.
If we are going to be a significantly better team defensively, then Donovan has to step up.
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Pretty crazy because he came out of college as a supposed defensive guy. And we talk about him being more aware and not taking plays off when he’s off-ball, but he can’t stay in front of anyone just as bad as anyone else on the team, which makes me think that not staying in front of people physically is only part of the equation with this team and there’s no accountability to the point where it’s impacted what appears to be people’s physical abilities.
 
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