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I'll try not to be an idiot. Will you also... oh wait, you're taking another crack at the different levels of not so bad slavery. Oh hold my hat, you decided to say there were good slaves and bad slaves, just like there are good workers and bad workers. Cool. I never could have guessed that some slaves that were better at being slaves than others. Forget what I was going to ask. Carry on babe.Don't be an idiot. People are always gonna be people, and always with some degrees of attitudes and manners of difference. Saying there are variations in how people act within societies or systems is virtually impossible to deny, except that when critics call out a society or a race, the rhetoric generally takes on aspects of hate speech, and the critics imply people are all bad or all good.
I could also argue that there were good slaves and bad slaves in various respects. It's like saying there are good bosses and bad bosses, good workers and bad workers. People cope. In any situation, in every circumstance, in every kind of government, in every religion, in every science, in every activity;. It's a survival mode. When you can't change things, you cope.
So black conservatives tend to speak more harshly against slavery than white liberals, did you notice?
But they are decrying the system more than the people who were in it, the institution more than the humans. And then they hoot about why reparations are nonsense, and how they have everything they need to succeed They are painting a pc of how despite the worst. the world or people can do, they don't have the attitude of being a victim. Times have changed. People changed things. Almost everybody changed. Now they have liberty and they are not about to let the stupid fascist globalist/Democrat cronys take it and make them slaves to socialism. Or communism.
Remember how many times I've said that as an ideology, nobody who is anybody really significant, especially the likes of Obama or Hillary, really believe in the ideas? They use the ideas. They are corrupt as hell, and bent on taking advantage of people to their own enrichment.
I could throw in McConnell too. And Pelosi.
These folks are tyrants, and they want the power.
You don’t have to live through something to learn about it, otherwise what’s the point of education? I think we’re about done here.You don't know anything about it either. I was not a slave, I didn't live through any of that.
Were you alive in antebellum America to know that for sure? Maybe all slaves were the same? How do you know that some black people were good at being enslaved and others weren’t? You weren’t personally there.I'll try not to be an idiot. Will you also... oh wait, you're taking another crack at the different levels of not so bad slavery. Oh hold my hat, you decided to say there were good slaves and bad slaves, just like there are good workers and bad workers. Cool. I never could have guessed that some slaves that were better at being slaves than others. Forget what I was going to ask. Carry on babe.
Yep. Honestly one of the weirdest people I’ve seen on the internet. Has anyone actually met him personally? I’m just amazed at the weird posts he makes. I’d love to know where he comes up with this stuff.I assume that was babe?
Trout met him. Said he seemed legit but also that he was in fact weird AF. This was several years ago.Yep. Honestly one of the weirdest people I’ve seen on the internet. Has anyone actually met him personally? I’m just amazed at the weird posts he makes. I’d love to know where he comes up with this stuff.
He could be a cool guy, I’m honestly not disparaging that. But these political and historical takes are so strange.Trout met him. Said he seemed legit but also that he was in fact weird AF. This was several years ago.
Nah, all Trout really said was that he was a real person, his account wasn't a troll account or a "persona" account. Trout, a weird enough guy on his own (love you bro) made clear that babe was next level weird AF.He could be a cool guy, I’m honestly not disparaging that. But these political and historical takes are so strange.
I know this is going to come back to bite me but your version is the narrative. It is the revisionist history that the victors wrote. The Thriller has the story much closer to correct.The Civil War was about slavery. That's the "State Right" in question. There was no broader ideological movement regarding State's Rights involved. To claim otherwise is absolute revisionist history.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.
-Abraham Lincoln 1862
With or without slavery, the US Civil War was always going to be fought. The American Civil War almost happened 30 years earlier over tariffs in what is called the Nullification Crisis. If it was going to be tariffs or slavery or something else, the question of what we were was always going to result in war. Before the Civil War, America was not a country. It was a Union. There is a reason it was called the Union. In speeches before the Civil War we would be called "These United States" while after the Civil War we were called "The United States". That transition from Union to Country was what the American Civil War was really about. Slavery just happened to be the spark to make the fight happen.Without slavery, states wouldn’t have seceded. Without states seceding, there wouldn’t have been a need for a civil war.
We know it was about slavery because that's what the officers of the Confederacy said, that's what the seceding states (the four that created a document) said, and that's what the people trying to avert the civil war were addressing.The American Civil war was about the state's right to secede from the union. We know the war was about the state's right to secede because Abraham Lincoln put it in writing.
It came from the mouths of the Confederates.The narrative of the American Civil War being about the abolishment of slavery came out of the Trent Affair.
Apparently, you can't be honest about it.We can all celebrate that the American Civil War resulted in the end of slavery, but that doesn't mean we can't be honest about the version of history that has been taught to kids.
Uh-huh. It's not like we have some founding document that starts with, "We the People of the United States...". If we did, your point would just look stupid.In speeches before the Civil War we would be called "These United States" while after the Civil War we were called "The United States".
There are certainly worrying signs reminiscent of the American Civil War. As I have pointed out, the American Civil War was about the transformation from a Union to a Country. New aggressors want to transform the United States again, this time from a Republic to a Democracy.You don’t have to convince me that we have arrived, never sleepwalk through that portion of History that is yours to live. See the present moment with utmost clarity.
It must abandon any imagined fantasies about the sanctity of governmental institutions that long ago gave up any claim to legitimacy. Stack the supreme court, end the filibuster, make Washington DC a state, and let the dogs howl, and now, before it is too late. … The left, meanwhile, has chosen infighting [instead of violence and solidarity] as their sport.
Not a single seceding state wrote a declaration of war. I've never said the southern states didn't secede to preserve slavery. What I said was slavery wasn't the reason the Union raised an army and went to war. Abraham Lincoln was crystal clear as to why the army was raised and it wasn't to end slavery.that's what the seceding states (the four that created a document) said
Did you read the piece?Secession, the Confederate Flag, and Slavery | Constitution Center
In this commentary, Paul Finkelman, a Senior Fellow at the University of Pennsylvania, looks at the renewed debate over the southern motivation for secession at the Civil War's start, and how it was driven by slavery and white supremacy.constitutioncenter.org
That is EXACTLY what I wrote. Abraham Lincoln was crystal clear as to why the army was raised and it wasn't to end slavery.At the beginning of the War the Lincoln Administration’s primary goal was to preserve the Union. A year-and-a-half into the War the administration also made the destruction of slavery a war aim.
I had lunch with babe and his wife and daughters. Delightful family. His wife is an excellent conversationalist. Babe himself was a bit quieter in person than I expected, but I think he was just giving his wife room to speak her mind. He's a very down-to-Earth guy. His kids were very well-mannered and we had a great time all in all. Would do again.Trout met him. Said he seemed legit but also that he was in fact weird AF. This was several years ago.