The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[JimLes]

the president, who normally might be expected to offer hope to his fellow citizens,

It says a lot about your country that people believe that's the job of a president. Or even a presidential candidate.

 

[LogGrad98]

It says a lot about your country that people believe that's the job of a president. Or even a presidential candidate.

Americans might need hope, but we want, and vote for, doom gloom and beating the other guy, the 'Merican way. Our motto should be "Give me victory or give the other guy death."

 

[Gameface]

It says a lot about your country that people believe that's the job of a president. Or even a presidential candidate.

The President of the U.S. is in a national leadership position. Leaders often attempt to inspire and give hope.

I agree with you that the U.S. has a very skewed view of what a President is. Especially since we seem to be headed down a path of pushing celebrities into candidacy and considering their "performances" more than their relevant professional performance. The U.S. President is the national level administrator. That's the job. We should hire (elect) people with political administration skills. But we're electing people currently as ideological figure heads. They are not administrators, they are mouthpieces that echo what their voters want to hear. We are on a dangerous path.

 

[Deleted member 365]

The President of the U.S. is in a national leadership position. Leaders often attempt to inspire and give hope.

I agree with you that the U.S. has a very skewed view of what a President is. Especially since we seem to be headed down a path of pushing celebrities into candidacy and considering their "performances" more than their relevant professional performance. The U.S. President is the national level administrator. That's the job. We should hire (elect) people with political administration skills. But we're electing people currently as ideological figure heads. They are not administrators, they are mouthpieces that echo what their voters want to hear. We are on a dangerous path.

Often, we’re not even electing them because we like them. We’re electing people because they trigger the tribe we hate.

 

[JimLes]

The President of the U.S. is in a national leadership position. Leaders often attempt to inspire and give hope.

The rise of populists and demagogues has led to a situation where if you're not promising that everything is going to be magical and amazing the moment you get elected--you're not going to get elected.

It's ridiculous. A president isn't supposed to offer you hope, they're supposed to offer you a sober, realistic look at things. Hope is nice but it doesn't do much for you in the long run.

I wish politicians had more cajones and people weren't looking to them to tell them fairy tales. We needed to be told this pandemic would last years. We needed to be told the vaccine would not magically fix everything. We needed to be told that some of our fellow humans are idiots and would refuse to get vaccinated no matter what.

We need to be told resources are finite. We need to be told that manufacturing jobs aren't coming back. We need to be told that both capitalism and democracy are in their end-stage.

 

[gandalfe]

It's ridiculous. A president isn't supposed to offer you hope, they're supposed to offer you a sober, realistic look at things. Hope is nice but it doesn't do much for you in the long run.

Democrats definitely learned their lesson in 1980, watching Jimmy Carter lose in an embarrassing fashion because he told the truth. Hell, he's the last president to have a serious primary challenger.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

The rise of populists and demagogues has led to a situation where if you're not promising that everything is going to be magical and amazing the moment you get elected--you're not going to get elected.

It has been all downhill since 431 BC when Cleon of Athens hit the scene.

A president isn't supposed to offer you hope, they're supposed to offer you a sober, realistic look at things. Hope is nice but it doesn't do much for you in the long run.

With all due respect, I think you are confusing presidents with administrators. The former is supposed to lead. The people will take a leader who is strong and wrong over one who is weak and correct. It is administrators that are supposed to offer you a sober, realistic look at things. What makes or breaks a good President is the administrators he surrounds himself with.

We need to be told that both capitalism and democracy are in their end-stage.

Have fun with that. Even the authoritarians are now capitalists. So-called "communist" China has multiple stock exchanges. Capitalism isn't going away anytime soon.

 

[LogGrad98]

Capitalism will not go away or appreciably change as long as there are wealthy people capable of exploiting the system, and as long as money reigns supreme.

 

[Safetydan]

Capitalism will not go away or appreciably change as long as there are wealthy people capable of exploiting the system, and as long as money reigns supreme.

Or if they **** the working class so hard that... oops! revolution.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Or if they **** the working class so hard that... oops! revolution.

LOL. Because history is full of people revolutioning to bring about less capitalism. The working class does better under capitalism than any other system. You could ask the 100 million working class who died in the Great Leap Forward, except they're dead. There are the working class during the Khmer Rouge lazily lounging in the killing fields of Cambodia, except they're dead too. Working class who starve to death don't have much to say. Socialists are no different from flat-earthers: completely blind to the mountains of objective reality piled around them in every direction.

 

[One Brow]

LOL. Because history is full of people revolutioning to bring about less capitalism. The working class does better under capitalism than any other system. You could ask the 100 million working class who died in the Great Leap Forward, except they're dead. There are the working class during the Khmer Rouge lazily lounging in the killing fields of Cambodia, except they're dead too. Working class who starve to death don't have much to say. Socialists are no different from flat-earthers: completely blind to the mountains of objective reality piled around them in every direction.

Are they as blind as people who think there haven't been any Americans rebelling against capitalists?

Coal Wars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Are they as blind as people who think there haven't been any Americans rebelling against capitalists?

Coal Wars - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You truly are magnificent in how fast you can construct strawmen. There is a reason those aren't called "Coal Revolutions". They are missing a key ingredient. I never said there weren't labor actions which turned bloody. I made fun of Safetydan for talking as if history is full of people revolutioning to bring about less capitalism. It isn't. If anything, that you have to grasp so hard to find anything even close proves my point.