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Quin asked if there is total buy-in from the team, Rudy Gay spat

Quin needs to hold his players accountable. If guys don't buy in to his gameplan, bench their *** and start playing Butler/Paschall/Hughes/House, etc. Fans would love to see them anyways. No reason to stick with the old guys no matter what. He's forced himself into this situation so he's only got himself to blame.
 
LoPo said:
The NBA is filled with really smart people and talented players. We haven't adapted to play playoff basketball, and everybody has adapted to us. We can out-talent a lot of teams, but the good ones know they can beat us. Regular season success is borderline irrelevant if you aren't built for playoff basketball.

I'll use a college football comparison. We are built like a Big 12 team. The regular season looks good and some stats pop out, but they get exposed in the college football playoff.

This team needs a major shake up - either the roster or the coach, and I'm quite certain it won't be the coach.
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How well do Quin and Ryan Smith get along? Quin and Ainge? And Dwayne? Quin might want to schmooze them at this point.

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It sounds like Rudy is going to be out for awhile. It might be time to either give Dok some run or sign a GLeague center to a 10 day.
 
Quin is a media darling. Seriously, the media LOVES Quin. They would quickly laugh at and make fun of certain coaches for similar failures. In fact, Mike Malone and Ty Lue were both laughingstocks at different times during their careers and they totally coached circles around Quin in the playoffs. Quin is the epitome of the “great hire” coach that media/NBA twitter loves. If you don’t fit into that “great hire” mold, you’re going to get **** on by the media. We don’t need to get into the specifics right now, but there are some coaching candidates that the media universally loves/hates from the get go.

Regardless of his actual performance, new owner and new GM (CEO or whatever Ainge is) are instant red flags for any coach. When a new regime comes in, they want their own guys and not the guys who were put in places by the people before them.

Add in the general bad vibes around this team and extreme pressure to win now….I definitely think Quin is on the hot seat. I’d still be surprised if he gets fired mid season, but if they don’t get to the WCF this will be his last year.
 
I still maintain that I think DM has the complete ear of Smith, Wade and the braintrust of how this organization goes forward post-LHM. I'm not convinced that Quin's coaching style is working to the degree that it did when this organization was on the outside looking in and these guys were younger on rookie contracts trying to improve themselves and stick in a tough league. Those days have moved on.

Remember, when Snyder was extended, we had a different front office, a different owner, even different colors. This isn't the same organization that it was three years ago.

I continue to get the feeling that unless our playoff run is spectacular, Quin will be asked to depart and the Jazz will go all-in on bringing in someone like Johnnie Bryant. It just feels like this is it.
 
KqWIN said:
Quin is a media darling. Seriously, the media LOVES Quin. They would quickly laugh at and make fun of certain coaches for similar failures. In fact, Mike Malone and Ty Lue were both laughingstocks at different times during their careers and they totally coached circles around Quin in the playoffs. Quin is the epitome of the “great hire” coach that media/NBA twitter loves. If you don’t fit into that “great hire” mold, you’re going to get **** on by the media. We don’t need to get into the specifics right now, but there are some coaching candidates that the media universally loves/hates from the get go.

Regardless of his actual performance, new owner and new GM (CEO or whatever Ainge is) are instant red flags for any coach. When a new regime comes in, they want their own guys and not the guys who were put in places by the people before them.

Add in the general bad vibes around this team and extreme pressure to win now….I definitely think Quin is on the hot seat. I’d still be surprised if he gets fired mid season, but if they don’t get to the WCF this will be his last year.
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I think he's a good coach. I think his voice has gone stale. I don't think he's a top tier coach... I think we very well might end up with a worse coach if we fired him but that doesn't mean you don't make a change.

When guys aren't playing hard or aren't executing your scheme then a ton of that falls back on the coach. Quin seems to think saying "you know what to do, so do it" is the answer. He is either failing to communicate, failing to motivate, or not understanding that his personnel can't do what he's asking.

It is hilarious how insulated he is. Andy Larsen is the only media member that we have that would ask a hard question or a follow up. Hilarious that a "buy-in" question is what sets him off... its a super fair question.

There are also the rumblings that Quin can't bench player X or ask player Y to be better on defense or he will lose them... Huh? Then ****ing lose them because they will be lost either way... just letting it play out over and over isn't working either. Then his tolerance for young player mistakes is like zero... those guys are actually learning this stuff... maybe let them breathe a little and the guys who "know what to do" can ride the bench since they aren't doing something they know they are supposed to do.

We are headed for a first round exit and a total **** storm.
 
Quin won the battle when he got DL fired. It is not particularly healthy if the coach and GM aren't on speaking terms. Now we have a new GM who has the owner's ear. I think Quin realizes his time might be short.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think he's a good coach. I think his voice has gone stale. I don't think he's a top tier coach... I think we very well might end up with a worse coach if we fired him but that doesn't mean you don't make a change.

When guys aren't playing hard or aren't executing your scheme then a ton of that falls back on the coach. Quin seems to think saying "you know what to do, so do it" is the answer. He is either failing to communicate, failing to motivate, or not understanding that his personnel can't do what he's asking.

It is hilarious how insulated he is. Andy Larsen is the only media member that we have that would ask a hard question or a follow up. Hilarious that a "buy-in" question is what sets him off... its a super fair question.

There are also the rumblings that Quin can't bench player X or ask player Y to be better on defense or he will lose them... Huh? Then ****ing lose them because they will be lost either way... just letting it play out over and over isn't working either. Then his tolerance for young player mistakes is like zero... those guys are actually learning this stuff... maybe let them breathe a little and the guys who "know what to do" can ride the bench since they aren't doing something they know they are supposed to do.

We are headed for a first round exit and a total **** storm.
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As far as your first statement, that's why I'm 100% in favor of an offense for defense trade. Not only is there a lot of history to suggest that we'd be just fine on offense, but I feel pretty confident that this current version of the Jazz cannot win. So there's not a huge fear to me that we get worse, because the current state is not worth preserving in the first place. Personally, I would move players before Quin. Quin has had strong performing defenses in the playoffs when he had better defenders. OTOH, I don't think there's a single coach that can save this roster's defense purely through tactics. Playing harder would definitely change things, but I don't think our players didn't play hard enough in the playoffs. That may be the issue now, but in the playoffs the issue was primarily that they weren't talented enough defenders. A more versatile and adaptable coach would obviously go a long way, but I do think defensive personnel is a bigger issue than Quin's inability to make a defensive adjustment.

I get that people want the coach to say what they personally feel about the team. People want to "call out" players and vocalize that they're playing like ****. But this isn't a movie. I don't think that happens as much as people think it does in the real world, and I don't see why it's the most productive thing to say in the media either. I have zero problems with Quin saying that nothing is wrong and that they've just got to keep improving. I've been that guy who desperately wants a coach/player to say what I'm feeling about the team. And I think that's valid as a fan.....but taking a step back do I really have an expectation for a coach to make a "call out" or whatever to the media? Not really lol.

And it's not like he doesn't already do this. He called out several things just in the last interview. But people are going to stick on that "everything is going to be ok" media fluff because it's annoying.
 
KqWIN said:
As far as your first statement, that's why I'm 100% in favor of an offense for defense trade. Not only is there a lot of history to suggest that we'd be just fine on offense, but I feel pretty confident that this current version of the Jazz cannot win. So there's not a huge fear to me that we get worse, because the current state is not worth preserving in the first place. Personally, I would move players before Quin. Quin has had strong performing defenses in the playoffs when he had better defenders. OTOH, I don't think there's a single coach that can save this roster's defense purely through tactics. Playing harder would definitely change things, but I don't think our players didn't play hard enough in the playoffs. That may be the issue now, but in the playoffs the issue was primarily that they weren't talented enough defenders. A more versatile and adaptable coach would obviously go a long way, but I do think defensive personnel is a bigger issue than Quin's inability to make a defensive adjustment.

I get that people want the coach to say what they personally feel about the team. People want to "call out" players and vocalize that they're playing like ****. But this isn't a movie. I don't think that happens as much as people think it does in the real world, and I don't see why it's the most productive thing to say in the media either. I have zero problems with Quin saying that nothing is wrong and that they've just got to keep improving. I've been that guy who desperately wants a coach/player to say what I'm feeling about the team. And I think that's valid as a fan.....but taking a step back do I really have an expectation for a coach to make a "call out" or whatever to the media? Not really lol.
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They can't do it all the time obviously but they need to do it. It doesn't have to be media stuff... I'm actually not a fan of that style. There are ways to do it though. The two guys you mentioned - Lue and Malone are good at this. Malone will get on his guys and isn't shy about it. Lue will bench his guys and also isn't afraid to pull a guy out of the rotation because they need something different. He isn't afraid to "lose" a guy.

He keeps talking about the players holding each other accountable.... cool but he could also say "it's on me to hold the guys accountable". Or something to the effect of "if guys can't stay focused and execute we need to give other guys opportunities to do so". Can't keep saying guys didn't play hard and didn't stay focused... we will do it later... nothing to see here.

Its the same with the refs. There is a balance between arguing and constant whining. There are times when I feel like Quin needs to lose his **** on the refs... Players might be more willing to move on to the next play if they know the coach has their back. They might also feed into that bad energy so its a two edged sword I guess.

I just feel like its time for the tough love. We've had enough Ted Lasso... its time for Led Tasso.
 
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