The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[Red]

you've passed up a chance to demonstrate a cool head or a reasonable attitude.

But you did not pass on the chance to accuse me of wanting war. You did not pass on the chance to thereby imply that I want to see the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent Ukrainians, which is what this war will bring. My wife and I were watching the coverage yesterday. I found myself shedding tears. I’m not ashamed to admit it, I thought “the world is hurting so much, so much, why is this madman doing this”? And I cried. I’m doing the same now, damn it! While talking to another madman, with the balls to ask ME to be reasonable. So go ahead and report me, as you mused you might do. You can rot in hell…..

 

[Avery]

I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about here. The Mueller report had nothing to do with confirming sanctions issued against Nord Stream 2 or any other sanctions because they were all very public with most of them being passed into actual law. The weapons shipment to Ukraine too were very public. Nothing I wrote about with regard to numbers of sanctions or dates of invasions under Bush, Obama, or Biden is in any way debated and none of it had anything to do with the Mueller report.

Are you reduced to anti-Trump non sequiturs to distract from how monumentally Biden has bungled this? Biden *IS* the President. Biden eased the sanctions on Nord Stream 2. Biden owns this.

The Mueller report showed that Trump itself had no direct implication that Trump asked for a pro-Ukraine stance as part of the GOP platform.

This has nothing to do with sanctions, pipelines, weapon shipments, etc. not talking about that, simply talking about the above point.

I'll reiterate again that Biden is president, but this aggression today simply didn't start with one person or administration and is a compounding effect of many years. To suggest otherwise would be revisionist history.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

To suggest otherwise would be revisionist history.

It is not nearly as revisionist as what you are claiming the Mueller report was. The Mueller report was split into two halves, with the first half finding no definitive proof of collusion with Russia during the 2016 campaign and the second half finding possible areas of obstruction of justice. The report had nothing to do with having pro or anti Ukrainian stance.

 

[Rubashov]

Who'd imagine you wouldn't.

Red lost his temper. I should report it maybe. What the hell.

It's better to leave it there and let the world see what you are.

I don't believe Putin is any kind of nice guy, or fundamentally good in his politics. I think there are likely some dead dissidents moldering in ditches here or there underneath the snow. For a while I had jhopes the comedian, Zelensky, would actually clean up some corrupt things in Ukraine. But in recent years he has refused to sit down with the separatists as the previous administration promised, saying it was something Ukraine was coerced into doing. Putin sent a number of messages to Zelensky asking him to do that. But that, in effect, would validate the separatists.

That would have been on par with, say, King George getting on a ship and going to boston after the Tea Party. If old King George had done that, and saw to it that jBritish Citizens in the Colonies had all their rights protected under the Magna Carta, there would have been no revolution.

But Zelensky and Biden are makeing the same kind mistake Kuing George made. Bowing to corporate and financial interests to exert power of weaker people around the world.

Some people in my family have Ukranian ties. A niece did her mission there. A brother documented the removal of Russian nukes. I also have ties to Formosa, or Taiwan as some want to call it. I don't want these wars.

You have to be strong to deter wars, and you can't do crap like Biden is doing. I know we have a media that's pushing us to positions that will likely trigger wars or lose ground geopolitically.

But I am a bit of an ignoramus too. And I'm not ever going to make friends of you or Red, who once said he would be shooting me when "The Resistance" gets to my camp. How much energy you have poured into just trying to discredit me or silence me.

It's a waste of your time. JazzFanz is a dying site Your efforts here seriously backfire. You lose ten to one the people you try to influence.


Well, maybe I'll go over to the sports threads for our grand playoff push. But really, how are we going to beat the Warriors or Suns.? We might be the third best team in the league. Maybe we are not quite as prone to lose our players to injuries, and maybe we have fewer players that will just freeze on the ball when it needs to be put in the basket.

Find it ****ing hilarious that the far right in the US are against war in Russia after the last you know 100 years of history. Just how badly is Trump leveraged and owned by Putin?

How does it feel to support a former kgb agent that supplied Red Army Faction and bader mienhoff? Who as president of a foreign power has interfered considerably in the last 3 US elections and actively works to destabilise democracies around the world? (The CIA must be pissed the Russians have moved in on their turf.)

I truly believe we are at a precipice, its 1935, but the world is worse off because people are more selfish, more cynical and considerably less interested in concepts like truth, freedom, society and the common good for all.

 

[Rubashov]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Putin was going to use his military the second he felt he could, before he dies. Turns out China has been emboldened in his lifetime by Walmart. It all goes back to Walmart.

Whats wrong with ****ing best buy?

 

[One Brow]

no definitive proof of collusion

Collusion is not a crime, so of course Mueller didn't bother discussing it.

It's not like examples of collusion are hard to find. The infamous meeting in Trump Tower is pretty straight-forward collusion.

 

[babe]

Red is one of the most patient and reasonable members of this board. So you know you’ve crossed a line if he’s this pissed off at you @babe

I've generally had more respect for Red than either Game or Thriller because he can usually be counted on to have some links and other sources to support his post, and most of the time had that better demeanor. this time he got mad.

I have never been one to try to just run off anyone with actual opinions. I do resist unsubstantiated slurs or insults.

Red is perhaps too old for me to hope to change his opinions, or his friends and connections. I think he knows the guy from the Brookings Institution who got mentioned in the investigation as an instigator of the Russian dossier fabrication. Red was out the gate with that thread before even the media got wind of it. Hillary was looking for help to discredit Trump and pulled some strings. Maybe it was Obama, who knows. But the perps all have proven Hillary connections.

Red, like some others, was out in arms after Trump won in 2016, vowing to give Trump hell. "The Resistance". And Red made a lot about that, and he did say something about a shooting war to win if necessary. And shooting me. Irt was a PM. I have it. hmmm. Should I go find it and reprint it?

No, Red can be a hothead.

I have some reservations about Trump. Andj everyone else. If he had been elected in 2020, it wouldn't have been an FBI-staged provocation from some weird dupes, about 20 paid agitators, and a hundred or so really stupid Trump fringe idiots storming the Capitol against. I open doors and a few complicit security operatives

It would have been lawyers going to court to prove Trump cheated, prove the Russians did it, and a lot of judges handing out gratuitous rulings. The dems woulda staged a protest of electors from disputed state results. But before all that, riots in many cities and on the White House lawn, maybe breaking in there as well.

That's all in the cards for "The Resistance".

I don't think the coup can be pulled off anymore. Public opinion, despite all the media and political rhetoric can do, has gone pretty hard against it. Itis actually expected, and regardless of poor representatives in government, it won't go over anymore.

It'll be war I think, here.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Find it ****ing hilarious that the far right in the US are against war in Russia after the last you know 100 years of history. Just how badly is Trump leveraged and owned by Putin?

How does it feel to support a former kgb agent that supplied Red Army Faction and bader mienhoff? Who as president of a foreign power has interfered considerably in the last 3 US elections and actively works to destabilise democracies around the world? (The CIA must be pissed the Russians have moved in on their turf.)

I truly believe we are at a precipice, its 1935, but the world is worse off because people are more selfish, more cynical and considerably less interested in concepts like truth, freedom, society and the common good for all.

You’d hope people would come together like folks did in the past but I’m not sure that is the world we live in anymore. We’d rather argue about which side of the political spectrum is more at fault and “news” outlets are more concerned about eyeballs than reporting.

We in some deep **** here.

 

[babe]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Putin was going to use his military the second he felt he could, before he dies. Turns out China has been emboldened in his lifetime by Walmart. It all goes back to Walmart.

Wow. You have a cool sense of humor, and a gift for sarcasm laid out in compelling offerings. Thin spicy slices.

Putin would have been satisfied with rhetorical offerings of Russian Nationalism and real power in the globalist net.

If Russia had any kind of Magna Carta or tradition of human rights, they might have been able to create a real federal government with "sovereign states" without suppression, genocide, or nuclear arms. More of a financial and cultural exchange.

But Russia would have become an economic challenge to Western industrialists and British imperialists/merchants.

I gave up on the Wal-Mart boycott. Hard to find another store anymore.

 

[Avery]

Wow. You have a cool sense of humor, and a gift for sarcasm laid out in compelling offerings. Thin spicy slices.

Putin would have been satisfied with rhetorical offerings of Russian Nationalism and real power in the globalist net.

If Russia had any kind of Magna Carta or tradition of human rights, they might have been able to create a real federal government with "sovereign states" without suppression, genocide, or nuclear arms. More of a financial and cultural exchange.

But Russia would have become an economic challenge to Western industrialists and British imperialists/merchants.

I gave up on the Wal-Mart boycott. Hard to find another store anymore.

I don't typically shop at Walmart much, but the reality is that I can usually find something there that I can't find at Target and sometimes you just have to bite the bullet so you're not wasting gas running over town.

Plus they are upping the game with self-checkout and don't have a piddly 4-6 of them, but usually 15+. I can respect that.

 

[babe]

Nah, scientists have proven that goldfish have better memories. And better skills of discernment than most Americans. After all goldfish won't eat their own ****.






Yes the bar is that low.

It is true that I don't remember Trump "propping up Putin" or isolating Ukraine.

It is true that Trump imposed sanctions which Obama did not, and sent arms to Ukraine and Obama did not.

And that phone call. yah, that was really isolating Ukraine. Talking to Zelensky. the dems made that out to be impeachable treason against the USA.

Asking for investigation of corruption. Now that's crossing the line with Democrats.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It is true that I don't remember Trump "propping up Putin" or isolating Ukraine.

It is true that Trump imposed sanctions which Obama did not, and sent arms to Ukraine and Obama did not.

And that phone call. yah, that was really isolating Ukraine. Talking to Zelensky. the dems made that out to be impeachable treason against the USA.

Asking for investigation of corruption. Now that's crossing the line with Democrats.

Trump had Michael Cohen procure business opportunities in building a Trump Tower Moscow during the 2016 election and lied about it.

Trump in Helsinki denied American intelligence and trusted Putin. He also offered American diplomats to be questioned by Russia (he offered up former Russian ambassador McFaul).

Trump openly questioned the usefulness of NATO and pirated Russian talking points regarding Ukraine. Remember when Trump accused Ukraine of hacking Democratic servers during his phone call with Zelenskiy which led to his impeachment?

It’s honestly one of the most obvious things to see. Trump has been a useful tool for Russia for quite some time.