The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

[babe]

Putin probably has more of a base in Russia than the West has for Biden or Hillary, maybe even Obama. UK has no popular leadership. EU has no leadership.

I think Xi is about 10X the trouble Putin is, and I don't think Taiwan or even Japan has the spunk Zelensky has.

I think the Putin hate some bring in here is not even matched by his most avid foes inside Russia. The Communist Party of Russia is his most significant inside opposition, and even they have to pretend to love Russia

The Communist remnants around the world generally don't believe in Marx anymore. They live and thrive mostly on bald resentment against the US/UK. We don't give them enough support to make it profitable to pretend to like us, and China and Russia don't even argue politics with them. They're just there to help and build.

Some conservatives believe Communism is growing and about to swallow us up whole hog. I still see it as a ruse, and dependent on megabuck manipulators. But I never invest in my opinions, I live and learn.

 

[leftyjace]

Saw there was a response from an ignored member.
Nope, not taking that bait.
I will leave that on ignore, thank you very much. Don't need the headache.

 

[Avery]

Saw there was a response from an ignored member.
Nope, not taking that bait.
I will leave that on ignore, thank you very much. Don't need the headache.

You're welcome.

As for nukes, if Putin used them on Ukraine (they are peacekeepers after all), I'm fairly certain you would see NATO lay waste to every military facility (communications, airfields, warehouse/storage, training facility, etc.) in Russia as well as convoys in Ukraine be obliterated. Not like we don't know where they are anyway.

And Russia doesn't need to use a nuke - they can target facilities just fine with what they have in their arsenal.

 

[LogGrad98]

Saw there was a response from an ignored member.
Nope, not taking that bait.
I will leave that on ignore, thank you very much. Don't need the headache.

Fine don't read my post.

 

[LogGrad98]

You're welcome.

As for nukes, if Putin used them on Ukraine (they are peacekeepers after all), I'm fairly certain you would see NATO lay waste to every military facility (communications, airfields, warehouse/storage, training facility, etc.) in Russia as well as convoys in Ukraine be obliterated. Not like we don't know where they are anyway.

And Russia doesn't need to use a nuke - they can target facilities just fine with what they have in their arsenal.

You are attributing a lot of power to NATO. That is essentially saying that America will do all that, as we represent the lion's share of military power in the organization, and it isn't particularly close. I don't think we would get involved at that level, tbh.

 

[Avery]

Fine don't read my post.

I won't...

... again.

And let's hope we never have to find out about the nuke thing.

 

[LogGrad98]

I won't...

... again.

 

[babe]

Unfortunately I doubt it. This invasion has cost Russia dearly. Any money made by the spike in oil prices has been consumed hundreds of times over with the collapse of the Ruble and divestment by nearly everyone on the globe. Their standing in the world has cratered as even formerly staunch Russian allies are now turning their backs. Their feared military has been exposed as they seem to have no answer for the Bayraktar TB2 drones which are too slow to be engaged by the Russian air superiority jets.

For all that cost in money, standing, and prestige, Russia has nothing to show for it. If Russia withdraws now it will cement that into history. I really want to be wrong. I really, REALLY want to be wrong but I fear things are about to get very ugly and I do not entirely discount the idea of a nuke being used before this is over.

I found a lot on these drones in the webz. They've been used in conflicts with Russia before. I am sure Putin knew about them.

Here is an article about them from before the invasion.

Ukraine Reportedly Has 20 TB-2 Drones. They Might Not Matter In A Wider War With Russia.

We knew Ukraine had Turkish-made drones, each capable of finding and destroying enemy armored vehicles without exposing crews to enemy fire. We didn’t know many of the propeller-driven Bayraktar TB-2s Kiev managed to acquire as a powerful Russian army massed along the border with Ukraine.

www.forbes.com

20 known in Ukraine's possession then, with many more on order and permission to make them in JUkraine. Pretty sure Russia forces were looking for them and trying to destroy them and if possible any manufacturing sites.

Pretty sure Russia will be tracking traffic in weapons as well as they can.

hmmm.......only two of the twenty have been used, maybe no more left???

Sorry peeps. A lot of folks don't want to get involved in anything more than cheerleading. This may have been a leading reason Russia didn't wait to negotiate and that Zelensky didn't negotiate. Probably a miscalculation for both of them. Probably means time is the leading consideration on the Russian side. Gotta get out soon.

 

[Gameface]

What we're seeing here is additional proof in what I call the U.S. military's most underrated superpower... logistics.

Russia is struggling to get the right forces to the right positions with the right supplies to leverage its significant advantage in both quantity and firepower. This is something the U.S. military has shown extraordinary ability in going all the way back to the Persian Gulf War in the 90s, but refined and perfected so much that in the war in Iraq, during the initial offensive, the U.S. frequently told our allies to kindly just stay out of the way because they couldn't keep up with our advancement, our battlefield picture (the knowledge of where all our stuff was and where support and supplies needed to be before they were needed), and our ability to put forces in the right places as soon as they needed to be there for the best effectiveness.

I think the U.S. has put more thought and effort into logistics than anyone else in the world by an even bigger margin than we outspend them on our military hardware.

 

[babe]

Zelensky is asking for NATO or US air support. Here's a bit from Yahoo, a democrat rejecting that idea:

“There’s been a lot of loose talk from smart people about ‘close air support’ and ‘no fly zones’ for Ukraine,” Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., tweeted. “Let’s just be clear what that is — the U.S. and Russia at war. It’s a bad idea and Congress would never authorize it.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

What we're seeing here is additional proof in what I call the U.S. military's most underrated superpower... logistics.

Russia is struggling to get the right forces to the right positions with the right supplies to leverage its significant advantage in both quantity and firepower. This is something the U.S. military has shown extraordinary ability in going all the way back to the Persian Gulf War in the 90s, but refined and perfected so much that in the war in Iraq, during the initial offensive, the U.S. frequently told our allies to kindly just stay out of the way because they couldn't keep up with our advancement, our battlefield picture (the knowledge of where all our stuff was and where support and supplies needed to be before they were needed), and our ability to put forces in the right places as soon as they needed to be there for the best effectiveness.

I think the U.S. has put more thought and effort into logistics than anyone else in the world by an even bigger margin than we outspend them on our military hardware.

I agree with every word of this.

 

[babe]

What we're seeing here is additional proof in what I call the U.S. military's most underrated superpower... logistics.

Russia is struggling to get the right forces to the right positions with the right supplies to leverage its significant advantage in both quantity and firepower. This is something the U.S. military has shown extraordinary ability in going all the way back to the Persian Gulf War in the 90s, but refined and perfected so much that in the war in Iraq, during the initial offensive, the U.S. frequently told our allies to kindly just stay out of the way because they couldn't keep up with our advancement, our battlefield picture (the knowledge of where all our stuff was and where support and supplies needed to be before they were needed), and our ability to put forces in the right places as soon as they needed to be there for the best effectiveness.

I think the U.S. has put more thought and effort into logistics than anyone else in the world by an even bigger margin than we outspend them on our military hardware.

you shouldn't cheer the ignore crowd if you won't join them...... LOL

But this is a reasonable remark on your part. On the other hand, I think Putin has made a mistake about how much he needs to move. So far this looks more like a war designed to minimize casualties among civilians. complaints about the Ukranians putting small arms in inexperienced civilian hands, complaints about Ukranian soldiers hiding behind civilians, taking up seige positions around cities. However you debate it out, there has not been a war designed against civilians here. Well, what the hell do I really know. I'm not a partisan. I didn't want this war, I gainj nothing from it. Putin's blunder here.

Reminds me of Utah's history and how a Pres. Johnson (1850s) sent troops to occupy Utah. No I wasn't there then. I read stuff.

Putin must decide soon whether to defend his forces with less civil strategy or just pick a few places to sit, or get out. If Putin turns tail, Zelensky will be in the EU and NATO next week. Putin might not survive politically. But Russia could still by cold hard reason, become a tougher foe.