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Stifle Tower
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Actually, that IS ground-breaking. If there are only "times" they can use him at the 3, it means Favors eithers comes off the bench, or Millsap does. That could mean a disgruntled Millsap. Also means a traffic jam at the 4/5, unless Kanter plays FT in the D-League. Millsap playing 30 mins at SF was the only way to resolve the PT issue (well, outside of a trade). Also means more minutes for Raja and CJ. The same Miles who has lost weight so he can be a SG. So Hayward will be playing SF for 35/per? And Miles or Evans will get the rest of the minutes there? Maybe I should revisit my prediction and forecast the Jazz at 25 wins.
Doc Cherno
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I don't understand why people think there will be a log jam at the 4-5 for us. I'd say Kanter is highly unlikely to be ready for serious minutes until, at earliest, mid-season. Realistically he probably hardly plays this season. Burks might get a little more time, but probably not all that much. Next year we might have a glut. Right now I'd say we have Big Al, Sap, Favors & Memo at the 4-5 with a little Elson thrown in for when one of these guys gets too tired from the intense season. Big Al, Sap, Favors and Memo can all play both positions depending on match-ups and Sap can play a little 3. If Kanter comes in and pushes any of these guys, so much the better, but I wouldn't count on him doing much outside of learning this year.
Elson??? He will not be back. He broke down at the end of the year.
margodydek
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Unfortunately (or fortunately) Kanter is probably going to have to play. With the compacted schedule alone he's going to have to spell the other bigs some minutes, then add in injuries that will no doubt occur, I'd say he could average 10-15 min a night for the season.
LjJazzman
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I also don't think we have a log jam THIS season. I'm on the side that thinks Kanter isnt going to do much this season and that we can't rely on him for anything. That leaves Memo and AJ at center, and Favors and Sap at pf. What happens if even one of them goes down and one of them will eventually go down at some point? We have no idea how memo is going to do coming off that injury. Sure he has been good in europe but that game isnt the NBA.
Plus all these big minute guys are going to average a lot less minutes per game this season based on the condensed schedule. They are also more likely to get injured. So I think there is a HUGE benefit to having as many bigs as we do this year considering the uniqueness of this season.
Plus all these big minute guys are going to average a lot less minutes per game this season based on the condensed schedule. They are also more likely to get injured. So I think there is a HUGE benefit to having as many bigs as we do this year considering the uniqueness of this season.
BluesRocker
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Typical Jazz management and coaching. Let's just freeze up and not come up with any practical solutions. Their only solution ever is to just play the oldest players and don't worry about development of young guys or anything else. Look at other teams and examples. If they draft high and know they have something they prepare to give them minutes. It's sad because I'm sure every rookie just dreads coming here because they know that their is absolutely zero chance of winning rookie of the year
Man, people are jumping to conclusions without even seeing what the starting line-up is. I think Kanter and Burks are at a disadvantage because there was no summer camp and a shortened preseason but I think because of the condensed schedule both rookies will see some action. Besides if they are as good as I think, I believe they will get playing time. Burks has to beat out Bell and CJ for playing time. It is not like he is playing behind MJ. Kanter will have the biggest adjustment because of his lack of game time but I was impressed with how he played in Euro ball and I think he will get some time simply because he can rebound. Favors had a tendency to get into foul trouble last year and Okur may or may not be able to play more than 25 minutes a night. I am sure that Okur is not going to initially play back to backs.
My bigger concern is what happens if we get injuries on the backcourt. We are pretty thin at PG and Bell got more minutes than he deserved so if Hayward goes down or Burks isn't ready then the Jazz will be in trouble in the back court. Also throw in the good chance that Devin Harris will be injured. Again, I am more concerned about the backcourt than having a logjam at the PF/C position.
My bigger concern is what happens if we get injuries on the backcourt. We are pretty thin at PG and Bell got more minutes than he deserved so if Hayward goes down or Burks isn't ready then the Jazz will be in trouble in the back court. Also throw in the good chance that Devin Harris will be injured. Again, I am more concerned about the backcourt than having a logjam at the PF/C position.
Stifle Tower
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So 96 combined mins at the 4/5. Jefferson and Millsap each averaged 35 mins last season; Favors averaged 20. That's 90 right there if NOTHING else changes.
1. Do you want Favors to only get 20 mins again?
2. Do you think Millsap and Jefferson would agree to cut their minutes down to 25 each?
3. Will Okur play 0 games?
4. Should we just "Sloan" Kanter and keep him on the bench or in the D-League and expect he'll develop into a starter with no NBA game experience?
Of course there are injuries. There will likely be DNP's by a few of the bigs which will free up some time. But on a regular basis, if Millsap does NOT play the 3, then Paul, Al and Derrick could be expected to eat up all the time at 4/5. Not playing Memo is no big deal. But Kanter, however inexperienced, needs to get 10-15 mins/per to speed up his development. He needs to play against other backup bigs in the NBA, not the undersized or unathletic scrubs in the D-League.
Jazzman_86
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any links to listen?
Jazzman_86
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thank you
Twin Towers
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Thank you! I have been saying this for far too long. Why draft PROSPECTS if we are not going to play them. We complain that Kanter doesn't have much game experience so we draft him to not give him any? ha ha
This is a joke. The Jazz organization is a joke and they need to trade Millsap and Raja Bell. Both need to go. I love Millsap. Been a homer for years. I liked him before the Jazz drafted him. I brag all the time that I was right about him being a sleeper coming out of college. But the fact is we won't contend with Millsap starting. His value can only go down from here. Favors is the future and so is Kanter. If we don't think Kanter is the future than why did we draft him????????? The future means invest time into him! Just drafting somebody doesn't mean you invested into him or even giving him a paycheck. It means nothings. Invest game time into a player means your serious about him.
These young guys need minutes. Keeping Veterans is smart to help the young guys mindsets while they play and teach them composure. But keeping on the bench wastes away good talent. I am not worried about wins as much as development. Jazz management is a joke. I have no confidence in them until I see changes.
InGameStrategy
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#4 sounds like suggesting that "varsity" (not D-league) on-court experience is necessary for player development (a fundamental concept that Sloan selectively ignored). Quite a concept.
+1 for pointing out that a bare minimum for a young player is around 10 MPG on a regular basis.
Corbin's unwillingness or unawareness about the notion of sharing and implementing that basic principle on the radio is a bit concerning. We're not even talking about a second-round Ukranian with an iffy off-court record; we're talking about a #3 draft pick (as well as a pick in the teens that can be another solution at SG).
You mean we might stay forcing drives to the hoop to the baseline like most teams in the league?
The obvious solution at the 4/5 is reduce Jefferson and Millsap's minutes to 32 a game. Play Millsap at 3 for 5 to 10 minutes a game. That leaves and additional 11 minutes for Favors a game. Use Memo to cover for injuries and foul trouble. Send Kanter to the D league. Sign a emergency big to the minimum. And Favors will be in foul trouble a lot. Also tell all the bigs that we have good backups so challenge shots.
On nights that Memo can't play bring Kanter back.
And on playing the rookies, Corbin is feeling pressure to win. He knows what he can get from his vets. He doesn't trust the rookies yet. If Kanter and Burks can prove they deserve minutes in camp and in the preseason, then they will get minutes.