Obvious Moves the Jazz Should Make this Offseason

[LoPo]

I think the only obvious thing that needs to be done is to operate in the best interest of the franchise, and not in the best interest in Donovan. That starts with the Gobert decision. If Don wants Gobert out, I'm telling him we're not going to get anything better than Gobert and he is your best chance to win here in UTA. There's this idea that the Jazz are working to please Don and Gobert being traded is part of that. We shouldn't cave to those demands, and we should not fear the circumstance where Don himself demands out. Build the best team regardless of if it's Don preferred team or not. If he doesn't like it, proceed with the follow up trades to rebuild or double down with a Lillard type trade.

The best path forward for the Jazz, and for Don+Rudy individually, is to carry on that partnership and build a team around them that actually makes sense. There's been a lot of drama, but I do think that as the dusk settles there's a chance everyone comes to their senses and realizes that this is the best option.

The spare pieces of Bogey, Conley, Clarkson, and O'Neale should be put in the trade market no matter direction the Jazz are going. Those guys don't fit around any version of the Jazz, whether that includes one, both, or neither of Gobert and Donovan. This should have been obvious when we got blasted by the Clippers, hopefully this additional embarrassment will finally wake up the FO.

I like your first statement and I agree that we must do what's best for the franchise.

Then you pretty much say that only way to go is to keep Rudy Gobert.

Keeping Rudy might not be what's best for the franchise.





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[KqWIN]

I like your first statement and I agree that we must do what's best for the franchise.

Then you pretty much say that only way to go is to keep Rudy Gobert.

Keeping Rudy might not be what's best for the franchise.





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If the only reason we're trading Rudy is to please Don, that's a terrible reason because he will leave anyways.

If we're thinking we can trade Gobert to make the team better, we're making a mistake because that trade does not exist. You will get 75 cents on the dollar for him on the trade market.

 

[infection]

I like your first statement and I agree that we must do what's best for the franchise.

Then you pretty much say that only way to go is to keep Rudy Gobert.

Keeping Rudy might not be what's best for the franchise.





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If you’re wanting to compete next year, you can keep Rudy and Donovan together. You could move Donovan for more “win now” pieces and try to compete. What you can’t do is keep Donovan, move Rudy, and expect anything more than a .500 team next year, if that.

 

[LoPo]

If the only reason we're trading Rudy is to please Don, that's a terrible reason because he will leave anyways.

If we're thinking we can trade Gobert to make the team better, we're making a mistake because that trade does not exist. You will get 75 cents on the dollar for him on the trade market.

I agree. We should not trade Rudy to appease Don.

The value we get back now has to be considered with regards to Rudy and the life of his contract. Rudy isn't carrying us anywhere right now, but his contract could destroy us down the road.

85 cents now might be better than enduring a painful few years of a $40+ million contract.

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[LoPo]

If you’re wanting to compete next year, you can keep Rudy and Donovan together. You could move Donovan for more “win now” pieces and try to compete. What you can’t do is keep Donovan, move Rudy, and expect anything more than a .500 team next year, if that.

Define "compete".

And you don't know for sure if we can or can't win with Don without Rudy. Everybody around here thinks they know that, but nobody does.

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[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If the only reason we're trading Rudy is to please Don, that's a terrible reason because he will leave anyways.

If we're thinking we can trade Gobert to make the team better, we're making a mistake because that trade does not exist. You will get 75 cents on the dollar for him on the trade market.

I would consider trading Rudy because he has significant trade value that will probably never be higher, and because the Jazz probably need to reset their timeline with one or two impact who are several years younger. The goal would be to open a 3+ year window of contention that starts a year or two from now.

 

[KqWIN]

I agree. We should not trade Rudy to appease Don.

The value we get back now has to be considered with regards to Rudy and the life of his contract. Rudy isn't carrying us anywhere right now, but his contract could destroy us down the road.

85 cents now might be better than enduring a painful few years of a $40+ million contract.

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Rudy's contract is not painful, not when compared to the alternative. You don't get to have $40+ million if you don't have Rudy, and that's the pain point. You don't have Rudy. This team would be lucky to make the play in's without him. That's where he's getting us. If you don't have him you're not competitive and it's very difficult to become competitive again. The chances of you getting two $20M players, or however you want to fit the pieces together, that win you more games than Rudy.

 

[KqWIN]

I would consider trading Rudy because he has significant trade value that will probably never be higher, and because the Jazz probably need to reset their timeline with one or two impact who are several years younger. The goal would be to open a 3+ year window of contention that starts a year or two from now.

Chances of you winning more without Rudy are slim. Even in the trade packages that I "like" for Rudy, my median outcomes for that team are around .500 even if Don is still around. With Rudy and Don, the expectation should be 55 wins. Less than that should be considered a failure, as this past season was. Keep the cornerstones, rearrange the pieces.

 

[KqWIN]

If you’re wanting to compete next year, you can keep Rudy and Donovan together. You could move Donovan for more “win now” pieces and try to compete. What you can’t do is keep Donovan, move Rudy, and expect anything more than a .500 team next year, if that.

Yup, the key to competing is Rudy. That's why the Jazz should be firm with keeping him despite Don's wishes. If Don demands out, we can trade him for a Lillard type or pivot and trade both and head straight into the rebuild. My stance has always been to keep them together as long as they willing to play together, that's the best chance the Jazz have to win.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Chances of you winning more without Rudy are slim. Even in the trade packages that I "like" for Rudy, my median outcomes for that team are around .500 even if Don is still around. With Rudy and Don, the expectation should be 55 wins. Less than that should be considered a failure, as this past season was. Keep the cornerstones, rearrange the pieces.

I agree that the first move is to put Conley, Bogdanovic, Royce and Hernangomez on the market. I'm a little more hesitant with Clarkson, but I'd listen to offers on him as well.

The scenario where the Jazz trade Rudy and bring back Capella/Okongwu and Collins should keep the Jazz in the playoffs, depending on the return from trading Conley and Bogey.

However, I think the Jazz's front office is going to change the blueprint for the team, and this may involve moving Rudy for stylistic reasons, as well as resetting the timeline. A center who can only score on rolls, lobs and dump-offs may be too limited against switching defenses.

 

[KqWIN]

I agree that the first move is to put Conley, Bogdanovic, Royce and Hernangomez on the market. I'm a little more hesitant with Clarkson, but I'd listen to offers on him as well.

The scenario where the Jazz trade Rudy and bring back Capella/Okongwu and Collins should keep the Jazz in the playoffs, depending on the return from trading Conley and Bogey.

However, I think the Jazz's front office is going to change the blueprint for the team, and this may involve moving Rudy for stylistic reasons, as well as resetting the timeline. A center who can only score on rolls, lobs and dump-offs may be too limited against switching defenses.

Out of all the potential trades, I like ATL trade the most and think it's fair in a situation where we must trade Rudy....but I think it's a stretch to say that we "should" be a playoff team. I think we're firmly in play in territory. I would certainly put the Wolves and Pelicans ahead of us. LAL, SAS, and even SAC could pass us up too. It would be a very high end outcome to place in the top 6 and may be more likely we're out of the top 10.

Everyone talks about being on the right timeline....IMO, the timeline for the Jazz is right now. If Don and Rudy aren't on this team together, the road to contention is tough. I don't care how many distant first round picks you own...it's tough to get back. The Jazz should execute on roster moves that should have already been made last summer. It was complete insanity that they sat on this roster and only added Rudy Gay to address the issues. Almost as bad as the "Miye Oni is the best defender on the team" solution after we got blasted by DEN.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree that the first move is to put Conley, Bogdanovic, Royce and Hernangomez on the market. I'm a little more hesitant with Clarkson, but I'd listen to offers on him as well.

The scenario where the Jazz trade Rudy and bring back Capella/Okongwu and Collins should keep the Jazz in the playoffs, depending on the return from trading Conley and Bogey.

However, I think the Jazz's front office is going to change the blueprint for the team, and this may involve moving Rudy for stylistic reasons, as well as resetting the timeline. A center who can only score on rolls, lobs and dump-offs may be too limited against switching defenses.

Watching the playoffs I just think more and more traditional bigs get marginalized in the playoffs. Its not trending back towards them. Ayton has struggled to dominate and he is more skilled than Rudy by a lot.

I think you still need a rim protector as a contender... but allocating 40M plus won't work. So does Capela give you 20 minutes of what you need there?

The issue with trading Rudy is we will drop a ton of regular season wins... I don't think Donovan is as good as the other supernova offense guys so I don't think the pivot works... So I think we are kinda stuck... which is why I kinda wish we'd just tear it down and build it much smarter. I think you could pivot and be back to a bottom west playoff team 3 season from now... if some things broke right.