Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[KqWIN]

Capela On/OFF defensive rating

21/22 : 115.6 ON - 114.4 OFF
20/21: 110.3 ON - 116.7 OFF

Gobert On/OFF defensive rating

21/22: 108.0 ON - 115.0 OFF
20/21: 103.7 ON - 116.4 OFF

Capela wasn't playing with great defensive teammates....but it's not like he'd be getting an upgrade in that department playing for UTA.

 

[infection]

In the world where they scored the same points, grabbed the same rebounds, and where Rudy was significantly more efficient and had a much tougher task defensively.

Ah yeah but Rudy proved he couldn’t simultaneously guard Harden/Paul and the Capela lob when there was no helping the helper.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You should because if that's true then there is no reason for the Hawks to be throwing all of these assets for Rudy.

20% is the difference between a good starter and an all-star.

I think the lines get a little blurred. I think Clint was battling an injury most of last year. I think he is 80% of what Rudy is when fully healthy.... I also think JC is 80% of what Don is... that 20% makes a whole lot of difference. If I said trade Donovan and just rock with JC because he is 80% of Don some would go nuts.

That 20% difference could represent 10-15 less wins during the season unless we improve in other areas.

A relatively healthy Jazz with Don, Huerter, Collins, Capela, KCP, Royce, some rookie who is not great... ends up winning 40-45 games and is the 10th seed in the play in, but you are young and have divided some assets that hopefully means you have less catastrophic injury risk if Rudy were to get hurt. Maybe it makes you more flexible come playoff time. The draft capital gives you a chance to "pop" and be a little more.

As currently constructed we are a 47-52 win team that likely gets busted up in the playoffs in one way or another.

Either way Donovan asks out in 12 months (either through not signing an extension or explicit stating he wants out). Sorry to spoil the end of the book.

 

[KqWIN]

Significantly more efficient? Lol they averaged the same FG%.

Rudy was an average of -10 per game and Capela was +8.2 per game.

To win a series like that our best player can’t be a wash with their 3rd or 4th best player.

Is that not getting outplayed?

It's 2022 and you should know that FG% is not efficiency. Gobert TS was 66.5% compared to Capela at 57%. That is a massive difference. The world in which their efficiency is similar is a world where you do not consider making FT's meaningful in any capacity.

ON/OFF in a five game sample size is hilarious. Now compare how the other players on the court were doing when these two were on the floor. Was the difference in their play, or the play of the others? Easy answer.

You just admitted to them playing to a wash....which is by definition not being outplayed. They didn't play to a wash, but even if they did that is a wash not being outplayed.

 

[KqWIN]

Ah yeah but Rudy proved he couldn’t simultaneously guard Harden/Paul and the Capela lob when there was no helping the helper.

I mean....he kinda did with Harden? Harden and Capela did not have great offensive series against Rudy 2v1. CP3 was the killer because he had a mid range game. So yeah....total liability for the inability to guard a CP3 mid range shot and lob at the same time.

Meanwhile, Capela really stood out defensively in HOU's strategy of leaving every Jazz player wide open and packing the paint. Rudy could never play the same level of defense the air played on UTA shooters in that series.

 

[Elizah Huge]

It's 2022 and you should know that FG% is not efficiency. Gobert TS was 66.5% compared to Capela at 57%. That is a massive difference. The world in which their efficiency is similar is a world where you do not consider making FT's meaningful in any capacity.

ON/OFF in a five game sample size is hilarious. Now compare how the other players on the court were doing when these two were on the floor. Was the difference in their play, or the play of the others? Easy answer.

You just admitted to them playing to a wash....which is by definition not being outplayed. They didn't play to a wash, but even if they did that is a wash not being outplayed.

Our best player being a wash with their 3rd/4th best player at the same position is the very definition of getting outplayed.

 

[LoPo]

I think the lines get a little blurred. I think Clint was battling an injury most of last year. I think he is 80% of what Rudy is when fully healthy.... I also think JC is 80% of what Don is... that 20% makes a whole lot of difference. If I said trade Donovan and just rock with JC because he is 80% of Don some would go nuts.

That 20% difference could represent 10-15 less wins during the season unless we improve in other areas.

A relatively healthy Jazz with Don, Huerter, Collins, Capela, KCP, Royce, some rookie who is not great... ends up winning 40-45 games and is the 10th seed in the play in, but you are young and have divided some assets that hopefully means you have less catastrophic injury risk if Rudy were to get hurt. Maybe it makes you more flexible come playoff time. The draft capital gives you a chance to "pop" and be a little more.

As currently constructed we are a 47-52 win team that likely gets busted up in the playoffs in one way or another.

Either way Donovan asks out in 12 months (either through not signing an extension or explicit stating he wants out). Sorry to spoil the end of the book.

Great post and breakdown. The win total more depends on who we hire than how we spin our trades.

I didn't like the end, but I didn't write the book.

 

[infection]

Either way Donovan asks out in 12 months (either through not signing an extension or explicit stating he wants out). Sorry to spoil the end of the book.

Yes, but Ryan believes this is a Choose Your Own Adventure book.

 

[Elizah Huge]

You’d think I was talking about your significant others when I bring up something about Gobert. It’s so ****ing annoying and you guys are oddly obsessive over one player.

It’s easy to like a player more than others and still be objective. I love Donovan more than anyone on here and I can still say he played terrible defensively for the majority of the series and shot the 3 ball terrible against the Mavericks. It’s really not that hard I promise.

 

[KqWIN]

Our best player being a wash with their 3rd/4th best player at the same position is the very definition of getting outplayed.

Getting outplayed would mean he got outplayed. Playing to a wash would mean they played to a wash (it wasn't a wash).

 

[Elizah Huge]

Getting outplayed would mean he got outplayed. Playing to a wash would mean they played to a wash (it wasn't a wash).

When your expected output is to be way better than him and it’s a wash then I’m not sure what that is then if it isn’t getting outplayed.

Was Rudy just bad that series then?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's 2022 and you should know that FG% is not efficiency. Gobert TS was 66.5% compared to Capela at 57%. That is a massive difference. The world in which their efficiency is similar is a world where you do not consider making FT's meaningful in any capacity.

ON/OFF in a five game sample size is hilarious. Now compare how the other players on the court were doing when these two were on the floor. Was the difference in their play, or the play of the others? Easy answer.

You just admitted to them playing to a wash....which is by definition not being outplayed. They didn't play to a wash, but even if they did that is a wash not being outplayed.

I don't think he outplayed Rudy either... but he was quite good in the series and rose to the occasion. I don't think that is the player we end up getting... but if we did AND the other parts were awesome... then maybe we are a top 4 team in the west again??? And then maybe... just maybe... Don will renew his lease with us for another 6 months.