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And I get that taking Capela isn't ideal... I really do. I don't get the completely turning our noses at it like its dog ****. Its like on one side of the trade we are hyper focused on salary and the other we completely disregard it.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I believe its a heal achilles thing. Which would be concerning on its own of course. Conley had similar issues and has seemed to be fine.

If we can move him for something else then that's okay... I just think its weird for a guy like Locke to say "he's a poor man's Rudy" and then turn his nose at his salary. Are there more interesting options at center? Fo sho... Are we able to flip Capela for those options? Probably not. If Atlanta is desperate to do a Rudy deal and not include Capela then great. I just think if you don't take him then they send less other value... and the only beneficiary is going to be Ryan's wallet.
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Yeah...that's just another one of those expressions that doesn't really mean anything. He is a poor man's Rudy in the sense that he plays the same role, but how poor are we talking here? I'm saying it's VERY poor and I do not want any part of that contract whether we are trying to still win or otherwise. Capela is a great rebounder, but he is no longer a good rim runner and isn't a strong defensive anchor either.

I'm definitely not telling ATL that we like Capela. Rather tell them we want Okogwu even if we know they won't give him up. We should treat Capela as negative value and expected extra value coming back. At the very least they've got to take on Rudy Gay.
 
Collins/Hunter is definitely a positive for this team. We all of a sudden become one of the more athletic teams in the league doing that.

Taking on Capela I'm hoping we can increase his trade value by the deadline, and start out with a big lineup of Capela/Whiteside/Udoka (fingers crossed)

Who knows though, Capela may thrive in our new coaches system, but he could also clog the paint.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think that is a fair deal. I just think that we kind of need the draft pick to be good if we are going to have hope. I know the percentages and that it likely goes poorly. We aren't in a great position right now and need a pretty big win if the org is going to convince Donovan to stick around.

The Capela deals I think might be there that I'd like:

- Charlotte swaps Rozier for Capela to get a center. They have some salary concerns and its why you hear Hayward and Rozier for Westbrook type rumors. This helps balance the roster... Let me be clear... if I was the Hornets I wouldn't do this deal but I also wouldn't have overpaid Gordon.

- Depending on how concerned Chicago is with Ball's injury a Lonzo for Capela swap might work. They platoon center with Vuc and Clint... then they can let Vuc walk if the price ain't right.
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What do we do at Center in these scenarios though?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And I get that taking Capela isn't ideal... I really do. I don't get the completely turning our noses at it like its dog ****. Its like on one side of the trade we are hyper focused on salary and the other we completely disregard it.
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Funny enough I think it's been the focus the other way. Everyone mentioning how expensive Rudy is, but there's been less mention that the players the Jazz would be getting back cost the same and would produce wayyy less wins. That's why I've always been firm that Rudy has strong value (especially if Collins-Capela is the core) and the Jazz should demand it from them. The Hawks shopping Collins perpetually doesn't help his value either. We've been throwing around Sabonis/Vucevic level hauls. I surely hope trader Danny does not settle for that.
 
KqWIN said:
Funny enough I think it's been the focus the other way. Everyone mentioning how expensive Rudy is, but there's been less mention that the players the Jazz would be getting back cost the same and would produce wayyy less wins. That's why I've always been firm that Rudy has strong value (especially if Collins-Capela is the core) and the Jazz should demand it from them. The Hawks shopping Collins perpetually doesn't help his value either. We've been throwing around Sabonis/Vucevic level hauls. I surely hope trader Danny does not settle for that.
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I don’t know how you can say for certain that a combination of Collins/Hunter/Capela/16 wouldn’t produce more wins than Rudy. I just can’t fathom that line of thinking. Rudy is not Giannis.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I don’t know how you can say for certain that a combination of Collins/Hunter/Capela/16 wouldn’t produce more wins than Rudy. I just can’t fathom that line of thinking. Rudy is not Giannis.
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Rudy has the best PER rating. Insanely productive on the offensive end. We are just getting junk for him in comparison. The advanced stats love Rudy and they hate all these players. It will be a step back according to the nerds.
 
KqWIN said:
Yeah...that's just another one of those expressions that doesn't really mean anything. He is a poor man's Rudy in the sense that he plays the same role, but how poor are we talking here? I'm saying it's VERY poor and I do not want any part of that contract whether we are trying to still win or otherwise. Capela is a great rebounder, but he is no longer a good rim runner and isn't a strong defensive anchor either.

I'm definitely not telling ATL that we like Capela. Rather tell them we want Okogwu even if we know they won't give him up. We should treat Capela as negative value and expected extra value coming back. At the very least they've got to take on Rudy Gay.
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Right... but saying we'd rather have Okongwu is nice and all but its kinda like saying we don't want Clint but we will take a few firsts instead. I actually think taking Capela might provide the incentive that gets you Okongwu.

I think the Capela deal not being ideal is going to be part of the reason you get more. Say they leave Capela out and the offer is Huerter and Collins for Rudy... then they route #16 and Capela elsewhere. I think Clint is an averageish starting center and I would not see his inclusion as this massive negative value if I am also pitching Rudy as this HUGELY positive value on a deal that is $100M more than Clint's. I'd rather accept that deal and get the extra stuff that we can because of it.

I think there is a middle ground where its Collins, Huerter, Capela, #16 for Rudy Gobert, Gay, NAW... sub Okongwu in for #16 and/or Collins in some iterations. I think if you are dead set on not taking back Capela then its like Rudy for JC, Huerter (then you spend MLE or something on center)... I'll take Capela/16 and send out Gay's salary in that scenario instead.

Capela isn't a deal breaker for me.
 
KqWIN said:
Funny enough I think it's been the focus the other way. Everyone mentioning how expensive Rudy is, but there's been less mention that the players the Jazz would be getting back cost the same and would produce wayyy less wins. That's why I've always been firm that Rudy has strong value (especially if Collins-Capela is the core) and the Jazz should demand it from them. The Hawks shopping Collins perpetually doesn't help his value either. We've been throwing around Sabonis/Vucevic level hauls. I surely hope trader Danny does not settle for that.
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Sabonis and Vuc also had much lower contracts.... you have to consider age and contract as well as production. I get JC has been in trade rumors for a while. I think he doesn't get along with Trae... Turner and others are in trade rumors a lot too. Part of the reason is other teams value them.
 
whatthe said:
Rudy has the best PER rating. Insanely productive on the offensive end. We are just getting junk for him in comparison. The advanced stats love Rudy and they hate all these players. It will be a step back according to the nerds.
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He is a great screener on the offensive end and he does very well finishing put backs and lobs.

Other than that he is very limited offensively.

His defensive impact is not as great in the playoffs as regular season and part of that is not even his fault. I don’t think the system was completely fair to him but also helped him shine at the same time.
 
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