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Predict the Rudy Gobert trade

Elizah Huge said:
Quite the contrary. Rudy is getting moved.
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It’s just a hunch. The Jazz are leakiest of leaky franchises these days. The big reporters are mostly saying one team is more likely than the other, but no one really saying a trade is likely except for the obviously unreliable sources. Nothing tangible from the local media either. Draft is in two days, feels like there’s not enough buzz going around.

There’s also the thought of….this trade was kinda stupid in the first place. If the Jazz intend to try to win as much as possible, there’s really no reason to trade Rudy unless they are caving into some kind of mandate from Don. Haven’t heard anything along those lines for awhile.
 
To me the rumor about the Bulls looking for ways to get more picks in order to include in Gobert trade is weird. Are we looking for picks or win-now pieces?
 
stitches said:
To me the rumor about the Bulls looking for ways to get more picks in order to include in Gobert trade is weird. Are we looking for picks or win-now pieces?
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1st round picks are the most liquid assets you can get; they can re-route those for players pretty easily in the event they might prefer some other win now pieces.

So there’s that angle. The other angle is the Jazz could position themselves to pivot to a rebuild and/or stealth tank. I think it’s a fairly safe assumption that Ryan’s current priorities as an owner is at odds with what Ainge would do if he had free reign since this team is basically the opposite of how he’s built other, more successful teams.

I can see a scenario where Ryan drags us through his chief goal of blah blah All Star Game then the rebuild happens afterwards.
 
Jazz need to stockpile picks
They gave away all their picks and have nothing to show for it
 
NUMBERICA said:
1st round picks are the most liquid assets you can get; they can re-route those for players pretty easily in the event they might prefer some other win now pieces.

So there’s that angle. The other angle is the Jazz could position themselves to pivot to a rebuild and/or stealth tank. I think it’s a fairly safe assumption that Ryan’s current priorities as an owner is at odds with what Ainge would do if he had free reign since this team is basically the opposite of how he’s built other, more successful teams.

I can see a scenario where Ryan drags us through his chief goal of blah blah All Star Game then the rebuild happens afterwards.
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I want to thread this with what happened with Christian Wood. Unfortunately, I don’t think a heist like the Wood trade happens again this off-season. Wood would’ve been a perfect center to use as a pivot point between win-now and the inevitable rebuild but that ship has obviously sailed.

Back to the point I’m trying to make: having 1sts - especially superfluous ones - is the grease that turns gears on the market.
 
stitches said:
To me the rumor about the Bulls looking for ways to get more picks in order to include in Gobert trade is weird. Are we looking for picks or win-now pieces?
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I always want picks. And the cool thing about picks as that they can turn into win now pieces! Sometimes young players contribute to winning immediately. And sometimes picks are traded for veteran win now players.


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stitches said:
To me the rumor about the Bulls looking for ways to get more picks in order to include in Gobert trade is weird. Are we looking for picks or win-now pieces?
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My fan theory is that we want a guy like Jerami Grant. Putting a guy like that next to Don changes the dynamic for us. He's a legitimate two way player. Detroit wants picks for Grant.

Well if we can get Williams, Vuc and picks for Rudy then turn the picks into Jerami Grant, our entire outlook has changed.

Or the plan is to send Rudy to the Bulls but send Chicago trade picks to Atlanta for John Collins.
 
stitches said:
To me the rumor about the Bulls looking for ways to get more picks in order to include in Gobert trade is weird. Are we looking for picks or win-now pieces?
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I think it’s likely we don’t like White and Vuc so we sent them shopping for alternative assets we can use. First would make sense since they can be used to get a prospect you do want or flipped for players you like.

If I was guessing at the offer… I’d say Williams, Vuc, 18, White is on the table and we’d like more… if they can get some of that more by flipping the Vuc or White pieces then they don’t dig in their own pockets.

I think the extra first could be added to a guy like Bogey to do a Bledsoe, 7 deal. Locke mentioned this on his pod… which was weird… I haven’t seen it anywhere and Locke acted like it was the hot rumor.
 
Is it true that because of the protections on the 2024 pick and the Stepien rule we cannot trade a first round pick (outright) anytime between 2023 - 2027? Because we cannot trade a pick two years in a row and because the OKC pick could convey any time between 2024 - 2026 if I'm understanding that right it means we cannot outright trade a pick until 2028!

If we are making trades for Gobert hopefully we get a 2024 pick back in exchange.
 
Ujfanatic said:
Is it true that because of the protections on the 2024 pick and the Stepien rule we cannot trade a first round pick (outright) anytime between 2023 - 2027? Because we cannot trade a pick two years in a row and because the OKC pick could convey any time between 2024 - 2026 if I'm understanding that right it means we cannot outright trade a pick until 2028!

If we are making trades for Gobert hopefully we get a 2024 pick back in exchange.
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We can... it just has to be conditional on the OKC pick conveying. We shouldn't be in the business of trading picks at this point.
 
Seems like a few people are trying to put some water on the flames of the Rudy to Chicago report yesterday.
 
Jingled said:

View: https://twitter.com/austinhorton/status/1539299213200134146
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This makes sense. Jazz may need to be willing to move a player like Royce or even Bojan in order to maximize the value of their return. But it's telling that the Jazz are actively trying to make a deal come together.

Since no team interested in Rudy had the 'perfect' package to offer the Jazz in return, it seemed inevitable that a 3rd team would need to get involved to balance things out. Jazz have 48 hours to make it happen.

This is where I'd love to see a team like Portland or Washington get added to a three-way scenario and upgrade the draft capital--i.e., trade back to #16 from ATL or #18 from CHI and pick up a player in the package. Jazz could then move up to the lottery.
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
This makes sense. Jazz may need to be willing to move a player like Royce or even Bojan in order to maximize the value of their return. But it's telling that the Jazz are actively trying to make a deal come together.

Since no team interested in Rudy had the 'perfect' package to offer the Jazz in return, it seemed inevitable that a 3rd team would need to get involved to balance things out. Jazz have 48 hours to make it happen.

This is where I'd love to see a team like Portland or Washington get added to a three-way scenario and upgrade the draft capital--i.e., trade back to #16 from ATL or #18 from CHI and pick up a player in the package. Jazz could then move up to the lottery.
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I think my realistic best case scenario is we do the Chicago or Atlanta deal and flip 16 or 18 with Conley for KCP/Ish/10... or you send Bogey/the pick for #7 (hopefully they use the trade exception so we don't have to give out value for dumping salary somewhere). I could also see a simultaneous deal where you send Bogey/16 for Bledsoe/7 and then send Royce into their trade exception for their 37th pick and a couple future seconds.

I think trading Rudy and Bogey or Mike will leave a vacuum that will cause the Donovan/Jazz partnership to explode in terrible ways.
 
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