Royce to Brooklyn for a first rounder

[416Klawzz]

This is a good deal for us, but enough of the Royce bashing. The guy put it all out there for us since he's been here.

We will miss you Royce

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Yep and passed up all those meaningful 3's that could have made the difference

 

[infection]

Ainge is going all-in on this meme.

 

[Release the Kraken]

Wow, first Royce and now Paschall and Forrest! Hardy over Bryant - anybody else feel like this franchise may be pivoting in their thinking on which All Star to back? We’ve been getting dissed repeatedly on social media, time to pay the piper!

 

[Nate505]

Wait, USC an UCLA are moving to the Big 10?!

Sounds like it, or at least that's the story everyone is running with now.

Can't wait for those classic traditional UCLA/Rutgers games.

 

[LoPo]

Sounds like it, or at least that's the story everyone is running with now.

Can't wait for those classic traditional UCLA/Rutgers games.

What the heck is Oregon going to do? Play in an even weaker conference and still find a way to lose a game every year?

 

[TheStormofWar]

Both of those are fun. I like playing black against the Smith Morra, that extra pawn can be huge if you can hold onto it. I tend to lean toward the accelerated dragon with black.

Najdorf or Nothing.

 

[gomretat]

But we do lol. Every team needs 3andD players. We don't have any now

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Agreed. And not many of them out there for 9mil. Never been crazy about Royce but replacing what he did is not nearly as simple as some think. Has to be a lot more going on for this to be the first move.

 

[KqWIN]

Can I be the one who starts the dumb conspiracies? Durant to team X, Don to BKN, team X sends us a bunch of stuff to rebuild.

On this "dumb" conspiracy topic....The Nets future draft capital is being sent to HOU. They don't have the incentive to tank on their own. They could always tank anyways, but they also just traded a first rounder for Royce signaling that they are trying to stay competitive to some degree. Their owner is newish, and I doubt he wants to start all over and just start stinking again. They never really started to win even with KD and Kyrie. A boatload of picks might not be as appetizing as the chance to stay in the playoff conversation and hold some relevancy. Mitchell could be in play here, but also Gobert. I felt as though the main thing keeping Gobert from BKN was that Durant does not like Gobert and Durant was helping make the decisions there.

Having said that, that's still very far out there as far as theories go. But I do think the Jazz acquire the first to trade it....not to use it and draft with it later. I think Collins is heavily in play here. Bogey + 1st meets the description of ATL has been reportedly asking for.

 

[One Brow]

Plus Nepo defeated Forujza in the Chess Candidates tournament today.

He's running way with the Candidates. However, Carlsen said he might not want to play Nepo again (the last match was pretty bad for Nepo). We'll see.

 

[One Brow]

Any other Caro-Kann fans in here?

I tend towards the French, but I don't play much anymore.

 

[David Hume]

He's running way with the Candidates. However, Carlsen said he might not want to play Nepo again (the last match was pretty bad for Nepo). We'll see.

Greatest ever: I guess Carlsen, with Kasparov and Lasker also in the running.

 

[gomretat]

On this "dumb" conspiracy topic....The Nets future draft capital is being sent to HOU. They don't have the incentive to tank on their own. They could always tank anyways, but they also just traded a first rounder for Royce signaling that they are trying to stay competitive to some degree. Their owner is newish, and I doubt he wants to start all over and just start stinking again. They never really started to win even with KD and Kyrie. A boatload of picks might not be as appetizing as the chance to stay in the playoff conversation and hold some relevancy. Mitchell could be in play here, but also Gobert. I felt as though the main thing keeping Gobert from BKN was that Durant does not like Gobert and Durant was helping make the decisions there.

Having said that, that's still very far out there as far as theories go. But I do think the Jazz acquire the first to trade it....not to use it and draft with it later. I think Collins is heavily in play here. Bogey + 1st meets the description of ATL has been reportedly asking for.

I too will be surprised if we dont use the pick as part of another trade.

 

[One Brow]

Greatest ever: I guess Carlsen, with Kasparov and Lasker also in the running.

Capablanca: ten years without a loss (although, WWI was a factor there).

You have to wonder how good Morphy/Steinitz/Lasker/Capablanca/Fischer/Kasparov would have been with modern computers to help them prepare. It's probably a bigger advantage than modern NBA players have over the ones in the '60s.

 

[David Hume]

Capablanca: ten years without a loss (although, WWI was a factor there).

You have to wonder how good Morphy/Steinitz/Lasker/Capablanca/Fischer/Kasparov would have been with modern computers to help them prepare. It's probably a bigger advantage than modern NBA players have over the ones in the '60s.

Underrated favorite of mine: Petrosian. Also a big Tal fan.

 

[Peter Effin' Parker]

All the evidence you need nobody gave a **** about Royce . . . he gets traded and the thread devolves into whatever the hell ya'll are talking about now

 

[SoUjazzfan]

All the evidence you need nobody gave a **** about Royce . . . he gets traded and the thread devolves into whatever the hell ya'll are talking about now

One night in Bangkok baby!

 

[LogGrad98]

Capablanca: ten years without a loss (although, WWI was a factor there).

You have to wonder how good Morphy/Steinitz/Lasker/Capablanca/Fischer/Kasparov would have been with modern computers to help them prepare. It's probably a bigger advantage than modern NBA players have over the ones in the '60s.

There are definitely moves in even classical positions and openings that are played now primarily due to chess engine preparation. As in from a mere human standpoint it doesn't look like a good move, and might look backward or strange, but is actually the best move in the position. I watch agadmator on youtube and he points this out from time to time. I imagine Fischer and Morphy would have been devastating with this level of prep. Hell Morphy would likely be the best of all time if he had just taken the game a little more seriously. He played far more for fun than for accolades, and it shows in some wild positions he put on the board, but he still overcame and won most of the time. Might have been the most gifted chess mind of all time. Played a blindfold simul against 8 other players at once. And frankly both Fischer and Morphy dealt with mental health issues that stunted their playing time and caused both men problems at one point or another in their lives. More examples that there is a fine line between "genius" and "madness". Another "if" to add to the story.

For my money the best ever have been Fischer, Kasparov, Carlsen, Morphy and Capablanca. But give many of the old school chess masters a modern chess engine and a full team of consultants to train and prepare and many would be at this same level.

 

[David Hume]

All the evidence you need nobody gave a **** about Royce . . . he gets traded and the thread devolves into whatever the hell ya'll are talking about now

Petrosian was a better defender than Royce.

 

[LogGrad98]

Petrosian was a better defender than Royce.

Yeah but could he get a bucket?

 

[framer]

I love Royce, He is worth a first round pick to Brooklyn. He does need some new scenery though. I think that the curse of Rudy Gobert is that every one of his teammates gets worse defensively the more they play with him, because it is easier to get lazy. This was the first year I ever saw an effort issue with Royce. It is time to try something new for everyone.