Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz
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LogGrad98
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I agree that Mitchell is a generational talent in lots of ways. But his refusal to even try on defense the last 2 playoffs were really telling for me personally. That's not the guy I want to root for. And his refusal to play with Gobert on the court was telling as well. He's immature and overrated. He can be a great #2 but only a #2 because he isn't much of a complete player.
But I also agree that we botched the best years for these 2 from a team -building standpoint. The Conley trade was such a waste. The Favors debacle. Very poor drafting choices. It isn't entirely on Gobert and Mitchell, it's far more on the FO and the coaching staff imo. Which is why they are all gone.
But I do not believe building around Mitchell will get us any more than we have already had. I think we've already had the best around him we are likely to get. Unless he chooses to take a step to becoming a more complete player, both on defense and in his playmaking, then anything we put around him now won't be any better than having a perennial DPOY candidate. Might as well cut our losses, accept that this iteration of the jazz was a failure, and move on entirely.
Thee Idiotic Minivan K
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I would agree with this for sure. My issue is it takes a lot of god given luck to build this type of supporting cast. Hard to do in Utah.
Your eyeballs. Perhaps you need glasses. It wasn't the need for him to be the primary scorer, it was a directive of the coach. Besides Bogie and JC who else would it be. Both Bogie and JC are not number one options. Sarcasm isn't a defense of your position. There are a handful of players in the league that can be franchise centered players. However a player like DM is certainly a big part of making a championship team. The Jazz would have never beaten OKC in the playoffs without DM, nor would they have been the number one seed. Does DM have flaws? Yes but there is a reason why mulitiple teams want him on there team and why the Jazz are reluctant to trade him. Nevertheless, if DM wants out then I would trade him. I would even trade him if they got a great package because the Jazz are in a rebuild mode.
The Thriller
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Family member sent me this from a local store.
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mongoose01
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Me too, but I just want him as a piece for a rebuild. I don’t want him and Don together. I could see force feeding Ayton into an all star with him and Conley running the pick and roll constantly. Up his value and trade Conley at the break to a contender or wherever he wants. Just keep wheelin and dealin with the expirings etc. Jazz are gonna have to pay somebody, so I don’t understand why people would be down on a guy like Ayton. He’s got length, athleticism, and potential. If you don’t like those attributes you haven’t watched enough basketball.
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I want nothing to do with a 2yr deal for Ayton because we will have a to give up at least 1 first for him. I want him locked into a 4 year deal with a team option on the 4th year.
The Thriller
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Yep.
Wasn’t there some drama before the last game? I don’t think Ayton played in that game or played sparingly. I remember the Suns coach really refusing to talk about it. But there were rumors about Ayton…
Phoenix Suns: Monty Williams says he and Deandre Ayton haven't talked since 'internal' Game 7
Monty Williams took Deandre Ayton out of Game 7 with 8:26 left in the third quarter and didn't put him back as Phoenix lost, 123-90, Sunday to Dallas.
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Lol everyone is begging for a tank and when we end up being in the lottery for the next half decade everybody will be complaining. I don’t think many of you are truly ready for another tank.
He was scapegoated in that game. Somehow he got the blame when the entire suns core didn't show up. Booker and Paul were brutal in the first half yet Monty chose to call out Ayton. That was some ********.Yep.
Wasn’t there some drama before the last game? I don’t think Ayton played in that game or played sparingly. I remember the Suns coach really refusing to talk about it. But there were rumors about Ayton…
Phoenix Suns: Monty Williams says he and Deandre Ayton haven't talked since 'internal' Game 7
Monty Williams took Deandre Ayton out of Game 7 with 8:26 left in the third quarter and didn't put him back as Phoenix lost, 123-90, Sunday to Dallas.www.azcentral.com
Building a team on a foundation of 37 y.o. CP and 34 y.o. KD, while giving up Ayton, Bridges and Cam Johnson, is building on quicksand. Those could be valuable picks.
On a max contract at 12 and 8 with a reputation for dogging it? Yeah, that “value” goes negative quick. Before CP3 there were real periods of time where it looked like he might struggle to make a second contract. The dude has been getting his table set by one of the GOATs at that and been whipped into shape by the same player whose the toughest taskmaster in the league. And after all that dogs it in the playoffs anyway.
He will have no such benefits here and have no financial incentive either. He is bad money. I am not sure I’ve seen a clearer case of this degree with regard to a potential max player.
If we were talking about a reclamation project, that’s different. We’re talking about a max. And we’re talking about resetting culture on top of that. I think he’s bad on all of it.
The Jazz don't have a franchise cornerstone player. Neither Donny nor Rudy were it. Now the Jazz need to dip into the draft to try and get one.
Keefe
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12 and 8? Ayton averaged 17.1 and 10.2 last year. He’s averaged 18/11 before. Not saying we need to go get him but he’s far better than most are making him out to be.
Bawse Dawg
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Try me