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Gobert to Minnesota

sip said:
I've never liked Ainge either but that is because I hated the Celtics and he was so damn good at making deals.
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Ainge hitting Mario Ellie in the face is still one of the lowest class things I've ever seen in any sports at any level. The Barkley reaction gets me every time.
 
Hearsky said:
Ainge hitting Mario Ellie in the face is still one of the lowest class things I've ever seen in any sports at any level. The Barkley reaction gets me every time.
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Hadn't seen it before

 
Im listening to some national sports talk show on 1280 the zone right now and they were talking about how amazing the jazz did in the trade and making fun of minnesota. They went really hard at making fun of what minnesota is doing.
One guy was even like "i drive a nissan altima and I really really like it. Its a great car. But I wouldn't pay 100,000 dollars for it. Which is what minnesota did when they bought Gobert."
 
fishonjazz said:
Im listening to some national sports talk show on 1280 the zone right now and they were talking about how amazing the jazz did in the trade and making fun of minnesota. They went really hard at making fun of what minnesota is doing.
One guy was even like "i drive a nissan altima and I really really like it. Its a great car. But I wouldn't pay 100,000 dollars for it. Which is what minnesota did when they bought Gobert."
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I just really question the fit on both ends, offensively it will basically negate KAT to being a spot up shooter and defensively he's going to be defending on the perimeter basically 100% of the time now.
 
fishonjazz said:
Im listening to some national sports talk show on 1280 the zone right now and they were talking about how amazing the jazz did in the trade and making fun of minnesota. They went really hard at making fun of what minnesota is doing.
One guy was even like "i drive a nissan altima and I really really like it. Its a great car. But I wouldn't pay 100,000 dollars for it. Which is what minnesota did when they bought Gobert."
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I get it, but I really like Gobert with KAT and Edwards
 
fishonjazz said:
Im listening to some national sports talk show on 1280 the zone right now and they were talking about how amazing the jazz did in the trade and making fun of minnesota. They went really hard at making fun of what minnesota is doing.
One guy was even like "i drive a nissan altima and I really really like it. Its a great car. But I wouldn't pay 100,000 dollars for it. Which is what minnesota did when they bought Gobert."
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That guy should be hung by his tiny testicycles.
 
As a wolves fan I really like the trade. Nobodies going to out warrior the Warriors so why not try something different? Offensively this team needs to put the ball in Ant Edwards hands for the foreseeable future. Ant running a pick and roll with Rudy going to the basket and KAT behind the 3 point line is just ridiculous. I've no concern about this move offensively at all.

Defensively I also thinks this fits better than some would believe. KAT is a 4 in almost every way except size, and while he's not great on that end he is better than many people seem to think. Sure he will have some problems with the Jaron Johnson Jr's of the world, but they can't guard him either. And with Gobert down low he won't be chasing blocks which is his biggest problem on D. I also don't see Rudy getting played off because of being pulled to the perimeter as much as some think as well. Both Jaden McDaniels and Ant Edwards are good defenders on the perimeter which will mitigate a lot. Rudy won't have to constantly clean up behind them. Chris Finch as well is an excellent X's and O's guy and will have a field day scheming around Rudy

It was a ton to give up and this team will miss both Pat and Vanderbilt who were the heart and soul of our team but I'm excited for what I believe will now be a legit contender.
 
Really good and fair take from a winners/losers article about free agency so far from msn. Winner:

Danny Ainge​

Rudy Gobert is an acquired taste. He’s still owed about $170 million over the next four years, and Thursday morning there were maybe three or four teams sincerely interested in giving up valuable stuff to get him. The Jazz had little leverage; heading into this offseason, the entire NBA knew the Jazz wanted/had to eventually trade him. (I personally would’ve shopped Donovan Mitchell instead but 25-year-old All-Star guards are pretty much always prioritized over 30-year-old All-Star big men.) Despite all that, Jazz basketball’s new CEO, Danny Ainge, still managed to rope the Timberwolves into a truly historic asset heist.

Before we go any further, this characterization doesn’t necessarily mean Minnesota “lost” the trade. Coming off a promising season with two franchise cornerstones who still aren’t in their primes, the Wolves just landed one of the best defenders in NBA history, an elite rim protector who will make life so much easier for Anthony Edwards and Karl-Anthony Towns. For all his shortcomings on offense (where Utah had the league’s first-and fourth-best attacks over the past two years), Gobert’s teams always defend well enough when he’s on the court to comfortably make the playoffs. Nobody raises an organization’s floor like Gobert; just thinking about lineups that have Towns, Gobert and Jaden McDaniels (who they wisely kept in this deal despite Ainge’s best efforts to pry him away) in them is making me hyperventilate.

But they got crushed in the negotiation by the same architect of two separate successful eras in Boston. If anyone in the NBA knows how to kickstart a rebuild, it’s Ainge. For Gobert, Utah will get Patrick Beverley, Malik Beasley, Leandro Bolmaro, Walker Kessler (an incoming rookie center who was just named the best defender in college basketball), Jarred Vanderbilt, unprotected first-round picks in 2023, 2025 and 2027, a pick swap in 2026 and a top-five protected first-round pick in 2029.*

This is a freaking haul for a Jazz franchise that has Mitchell, a first-round pick in 2023 (courtesy of Thursday’s Royce O’Neale trade) and all its own first-round picks minus a top-10 protected selection in 2024 that will go to the Thunder if it’s No. 11 or higher (which doesn’t seem likely). Without Gobert, next season Utah will become one of the worst teams in the Western Conference. And before Mitchell’s current contract expires, there’s a decent chance Ainge flips him for another desirable package.

Regardless, this was a masterful job by Ainge and the rest of Utah’s front office to squeeze every last drop of value from a center who already gave that team so much. They’re set up for great things down the line. While the Timberwolves suddenly have immense pressure to win big as soon as they possibly can, despite their most important player being only 20 years old.

*For the sake of comparison: Back in 2019, the Clippers sent Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, five unprotected first-round picks and two pick swaps to the Thunder for 29-year-old Paul George (and 28-year-old Kawhi Leonard, who wasn’t going to Los Angeles without another star).
 
fishonjazz said:
Im listening to some national sports talk show on 1280 the zone right now and they were talking about how amazing the jazz did in the trade and making fun of minnesota. They went really hard at making fun of what minnesota is doing.
One guy was even like "i drive a nissan altima and I really really like it. Its a great car. But I wouldn't pay 100,000 dollars for it. Which is what minnesota did when they bought Gobert."
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Some people really like to **** on players after trades so they can feel better about "winning " the trade.

Minnesota got a player that gives them potentially one of the best teams of all time
 
Rudy's KAT said:
As a wolves fan I really like the trade. Nobodies going to out warrior the Warriors so why not try something different? Offensively this team needs to put the ball in Ant Edwards hands for the foreseeable future. Ant running a pick and roll with Rudy going to the basket and KAT behind the 3 point line is just ridiculous. I've no concern about this move offensively at all.

Defensively I also thinks this fits better than some would believe. KAT is a 4 in almost every way except size, and while he's not great on that end he is better than many people seem to think. Sure he will have some problems with the Jaron Johnson Jr's of the world, but they can't guard him either. And with Gobert down low he won't be chasing blocks which is his biggest problem on D. I also don't see Rudy getting played off because of being pulled to the perimeter as much as some think as well. Both Jaden McDaniels and Ant Edwards are good defenders on the perimeter which will mitigate a lot. Rudy won't have to constantly clean up behind them. Chris Finch as well is an excellent X's and O's guy and will have a field day scheming around Rudy

It was a ton to give up and this team will miss both Pat and Vanderbilt who were the heart and soul of our team but I'm excited for what I believe will now be a legit contender.
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Wolves mid and so is Rudy, 35-40 win team.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Some people really like to **** on players after trades so they can feel better about "winning " the trade.

Minnesota got a player that gives them potentially one of the best teams of all time
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I dont think that the dudes I was listening were fans of either team and didn't care at all who "won" the trade. They weren't local dudes.
 
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