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Carbon13 said:
I think the best argument against solving labor shortages is its the first time in a very long time labor has had bargaining power.
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Im hoping it stays that way for at least another 8 months or so. My union is going to begin negotiations on a new contract soon. Would be nice to have bargaining power. Im scared the recession will hit hard right before a contract is negotiated and the power will swing back to the company.
 
fishonjazz said:
Im hoping it stays that way for at least another 8 months or so. My union is going to begin negotiations on a new contract soon. Would be nice to have bargaining power. Im scared the recession will hit hard right before a contract is negotiated and the power will swing back to the company.
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That's one of the reasons I was so disappointed last time. Economy and unemployment were in the favor of the workers and the union pulled out one of the worst contracts they had ever gotten all while giving up the pension.

That meeting was contentious, to put it mildly, and the contract passed 51 votes to 49.

At least three no votes that I had talked to a lot and was counting on didn't show up. People who care at all need to go to the contract vote meeting. If it's not good enough vote no. That doesn't mean a strike happens tomorrow, like Rick very specifically made it seem like, it means they go back and keep negotiating. The company feels like they have the union by the balls and that the workers will swallow whatever contract is handed to them. No contract has ever been voted down at that place. I say vote the first one down unless it is surprisingly fantastic and send a message that you all dare stand up for yourselves and won't just vote yes because Rick agreed to eat their assholes when they didn't even wipe so long as he can ride his ****ing waste train for the rest of his life.
 
Gameface said:
That's one of the reasons I was so disappointed last time. Economy and unemployment were in the favor of the workers and the union pulled out one of the worst contracts they had ever gotten all while giving up the pension.

That meeting was contentious, to put it mildly, and the contract passed 51 votes to 49.

At least three no votes that I had talked to a lot and was counting on didn't show up. People who care at all need to go to the contract vote meeting. If it's not good enough vote no. That doesn't mean a strike happens tomorrow, like Rick very specifically made it seem like, it means they go back and keep negotiating. The company feels like they have the union by the balls and that the workers will swallow whatever contract is handed to them. No contract has ever been voted down at that place. I say vote the first one down unless it is surprisingly fantastic and send a message that you all dare stand up for yourselves and won't just vote yes because Rick agreed to eat their assholes when they didn't even wipe so long as he can ride his ****ing waste train for the rest of his life.
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This is one of the challenges of unions. All too often the union leadership itself does not have the best interest of the workers at heart. They care about 2 things: 1) secure the next contract, as long term as possible and 2) if the state allows, make it a closed shop so everyone is forced to join and a third I guess would be 3) make it mandatory for dues to be collected through automatic paycheck deduction. I had a union leader tell me this directly in a candid moment. They would give up all kind of stuff if it were a closed shop and the dues were collected through payroll deductions, so it was out of the hands of the workers. That secures the union's profitability, and in the end that is really all they care about.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This is one of the challenges of unions. All too often the union leadership itself does not have the best interest of the workers at heart. They care about 2 things: 1) secure the next contract, as long term as possible and 2) if the state allows, make it a closed shop so everyone is forced to join and a third I guess would be 3) make it mandatory for dues to be collected through automatic paycheck deduction. I had a union leader tell me this directly in a candid moment. They would give up all kind of stuff if it were a closed shop and the dues were collected through payroll deductions, so it was out of the hands of the workers. That secures the union's profitability, and in the end that is really all they care about.
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In Utah they can't make it a closed shop but this particular union has illegally stopped people from leaving. The dues are collected automatically and the worker can't stop those payments, only the union.
 
Gameface said:
In Utah they can't make it a closed shop but this particular union has illegally stopped people from leaving. The dues are collected automatically and the worker can't stop those payments, only the union.
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Yeah that's rough, imo that shouldn't be allowed. The employee should be the one making those decisions.
 
Roughly 1 in 5 Americans believe it’s more important for America to have a strong leader than to be a democracy. (Guess they never heard the Republic or Democracy lecture).


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One in five US adults condone ‘justified’ political violence, mega-survey finds

As mistrust and alienation from democratic institutions peaks, researchers explore how willing Americans are to commit violence
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Red said:
Roughly 1 in 5 Americans believe it’s more important for America to have a strong leader than to be a democracy. (Guess they never heard the Republic or Democracy lecture).


View: https://twitter.com/teamtrace/status/1549774300831514625



View: https://twitter.com/teamtrace/status/1549774300831514625




www.theguardian.com

One in five US adults condone ‘justified’ political violence, mega-survey finds

As mistrust and alienation from democratic institutions peaks, researchers explore how willing Americans are to commit violence
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Well at least it isn't very many. 1 in 5 isn't bad imo. I would have thought it to be more than that
 
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CNN Poll: 75% of Democratic voters want someone other than Biden in 2024

A new CNN poll finds 75% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters want the party to nominate someone other than President Joe Biden in the 2024 election, a sharp increase from earlier this year.
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75% of Democrats want someone besides Biden to run. I'm right there with them. I think he needs to not seek a second term because he isn't going to get one, regardless.
 
Gameface said:
www.cnn.com

CNN Poll: 75% of Democratic voters want someone other than Biden in 2024

A new CNN poll finds 75% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters want the party to nominate someone other than President Joe Biden in the 2024 election, a sharp increase from earlier this year.
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75% of Democrats want someone besides Biden to run. I'm right there with them. I think he needs to not seek a second term because he isn't going to get one, regardless.
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Not sure if this is the right time for an ugly primary fight though.
 
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