The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[Deleted member 365]

You’ll never go wrong betting on the stupidity of the avg American voter. This is what happens when you get most of your news from social media and let it’s algorithms determine what you know:

Democrats have another infrastructure problem

The landmark bipartisan bill is popular with voters, but recent polling shows the vast majority of them don't even know it's now a law.

www.politico.com

Most people are big fans of President Joe Biden’s $550 billion infrastructure bill — except they don’t know it’s actually been passed. That’s the conclusion of new polling that promises to further rattle the Democratic Party.

Eight months after Congress cleared the landmark legislation to overhaul the nation’s roads, bridges, rails and broadband, only 24 percent of voters are aware it’s now a law, according to new polling by the center-left think tank Third Way and Impact Research that was shared first with POLITICO.

BTW, ignorance about key political/scientific news isn’t just an American thing either. Look at this from Austria:

View: https://twitter.com/ngrossman81/status/1551640896474685453?s=21&t=BjcjeLf4G1L-pwqpfXqq2Q

I greatly fear holding a primary at a time that millions of Americans are completely clueless because of our broken media environment and we have an authoritarian movement on the right licking it’s chops to end American democracy. I don’t disagree that Biden is old as hell and I’d like to see some new leadership. But man oh man is that primary going to be ugly with the media coverage, the raw vitriol aimed at POC, women, and gay candidates, and promoted by social media algorithms, and Russia disinformation.

Just look at how these social media algorithms have ****ed with our politics over the last 3 years. Large segments of the population now think vaccines are bad, Russia is the victim of Ukrainian aggression, CRT is being taught in k12 schools, and gay people are raping every child who uses the bathroom. Dangerous times.

 

[Gameface]

A couple of things:

1. Have Democrats not been standing for things?
2. Opening things up for a primary is a huge gamble. What often is supported by the base and by the majority of Americans, might not be supported by key swing state voters who are more inclined to have a strong man who promises to make every one of their dreams come true. What is obvious to you might not be obvious to those in Penn or Mich who still think car factories circa 1950 are coming back.

Also, demographics. While most Americans have no problem with blacks, gays, and women, obviously plenty of others do. So if/when the primary opens up, will low info/avg voters be scared off by the nonsense? Democrats have a lot of promising candidates who are women, black, gay, centrist and liberal. You don’t think your avg/low info voter might think twice to vote for Mayor Pete bc they’ve been fed for 2+ years that all gays are tranny track pedos looking to rape your child in every public bathroom and read them LGBT books during Draq Queen story hour?

Am I saying that I fear that America isn’t ready for another black president? Or for its first woman president or openly gay president? It just might be when we’re facing down the barrel of an authoritarian Trump or fascist DeSantis. Do we want to find out? It’s risky. Especially since you know that FB algorithm is gonna be working in OT promoting thee most revolting disinformation about the election. Not to mention bad actors like Putin who might see Trump as their only way out of the hubris they’ve created in Ukraine.

3. I think base voters should be excited to vote for any Dem in 2024. It’s better for a Democratic corpse to occupy the White House than Trump or DeSantis. We can worry about passing the next round of health care policy later. Right now we are trying to keep authoritarians from ending American democracy.

You know what I do wish more base voters cared about? Local elections. Much can be done at the state level. How many voters blame Biden but can’t even tell you who their governor is? And wouldn’t it be nice to have more Senators in the Senate? Instead, Biden’s entire agenda is held hostage by Manchinema. FDR couldn’t pass anything in this Senate where Repubs say no to everything and Manchinema are bought off. Makes me wonder if it would actually be better for us to lose the presidency but hold onto the Senate? Then again, authoritarians don’t need the Senate. They’ll still find ways to consolidate power.

If the Republican candidate is not Trump or DeSantis I might vote for them over Biden. So...

 

[Deleted member 365]

If the Republican candidate is not Trump or DeSantis I might vote for them over Biden. So...

It will be one of them. I think DeSantis will be the nominee.

 

[LogGrad98]

You’ll never go wrong betting on the stupidity of the avg American voter. This is what happens when you get most of your news from social media and let it’s algorithms determine what you know:

Democrats have another infrastructure problem

The landmark bipartisan bill is popular with voters, but recent polling shows the vast majority of them don't even know it's now a law.

www.politico.com

BTW, ignorance about key political/scientific news isn’t just an American thing either. Look at this from Austria:

View: https://twitter.com/ngrossman81/status/1551640896474685453?s=21&t=BjcjeLf4G1L-pwqpfXqq2Q

I greatly fear holding a primary at a time that millions of Americans are completely clueless because of our broken media environment and we have an authoritarian movement on the right licking it’s chops to end American democracy. I don’t disagree that Biden is old as hell and I’d like to see some new leadership. But man oh man is that primary going to be ugly with the media coverage, the raw vitriol aimed at POC, women, and gay candidates, and promoted by social media algorithms, and Russia disinformation.

Just look at how these social media algorithms have ****ed with our politics over the last 3 years. Large segments of the population now think vaccines are bad, Russia is the victim of Ukrainian aggression, CRT is being taught in k12 schools, and gay people are raping every child who uses the bathroom. Dangerous times.

I just want to say that "ungeimpft" is a difficult word to pronounce.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I just want to say that "ungeimpft" is a difficult word to pronounce.

LOL. True. I hear that downing a six-pack prior to saying it can help. Many people say it helps many people…

But the big issue is that at a time when such basic facts as: vaccines prevent disease and Putin is a ruthless dictator are questioned and disinformation is so high, are we really prepared for what a bloody primary would entail? Democrats will be questioning and attacking each other. Will the Democrat who emerges from the primary still be electable for the general when disinformation is so widespread and the stakes are so high? It’s not like Trump/DeSantis is a harmless moderate like Bush I or Bob Dole.

Would it be better to stay with the guy who beat Trump already? Or do you roll the dice, throw away incumbency, and go with someone new?

 

[Red]

Would it be better to stay with the guy who beat Trump already? Or do you roll the dice, throw away incumbency, and go with someone new?

I can’t answer that at the moment, but after the midterms, barring an unexpectedly good Democratic showing, you can be certain the talk of replacing Biden is going to gain increasing momentum….

CNN Poll: 75% of Democratic voters want someone other than Biden in 2024

A new CNN poll finds 75% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters want the party to nominate someone other than President Joe Biden in the 2024 election, a sharp increase from earlier this year.

www.cnn.com

 

[fishonjazz]

LOL. True. I hear that downing a six-pack prior to saying it can help. Many people say it helps many people…

But the big issue is that at a time when such basic facts as: vaccines prevent disease and Putin is a ruthless dictator are questioned and disinformation is so high, are we really prepared for what a bloody primary would entail? Democrats will be questioning and attacking each other. Will the Democrat who emerges from the primary still be electable for the general when disinformation is so widespread and the stakes are so high? It’s not like Trump/DeSantis is a harmless moderate like Bush I or Bob Dole.

Would it be better to stay with the guy who beat Trump already? Or do you roll the dice, throw away incumbency, and go with someone new?

Someone new


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app

 

[Deleted member 365]

I can’t answer that at the moment, but after the midterms, barring an unexpectedly good Democratic showing, you can be certain the talk of replacing Biden is going to gain increasing momentum….

CNN Poll: 75% of Democratic voters want someone other than Biden in 2024

A new CNN poll finds 75% of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters want the party to nominate someone other than President Joe Biden in the 2024 election, a sharp increase from earlier this year.

www.cnn.com

What’s funny is I think Dems are going to do well in the midterms. They’ll probably still lose the House (but not by as much as originally predicted) but they’ll probably hold onto or pick up a few seats in the Senate. So then what?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Someone new


Sent from my iPad using JazzFanz mobile app

Yes, I know, the grass is always greener. And it’s definitely Biden’s fault, not Republican Senators refusing to help pass a helpful agenda addressing gun violence, climate change, voting rights, etc.

 

[Avery]

For me to vote for any R for President, they have to do the following:

1. Firmly and unequivocally say that the 2020 election was free and fair and that it wasn't stolen, it was lost
2. Denounce Trumpism and that we need to work together and not apart
3. Commit themselves to improving things across the aisle with regards to health care, budget reconciliation, etc.

That may be a bridge too far and I still don't see a path where anyone but Trump/Desantis are your two most likely frontrunners in a primary; Desantis is going to feel like a fool if he steps aside for Trump thinking the VP slot is his when it's likely to go to someone like Kristi Noem.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I know Biden isn’t perfect. But here’s the alternative:

View: https://twitter.com/acyn/status/1552025520820338690?s=21&t=jdYtmA2eGgfeDsybiFiuaA

 

[Deleted member 365]

For me to vote for any R for President, they have to do the following:

1. Firmly and unequivocally say that the 2020 election was free and fair and that it wasn't stolen, it was lost
2. Denounce Trumpism and that we need to work together and not apart
3. Commit themselves to improving things across the aisle with regards to health care, budget reconciliation, etc.

That may be a bridge too far and I still don't see a path where anyone but Trump/Desantis are your two most likely frontrunners in a primary; Desantis is going to feel like a fool if he steps aside for Trump thinking the VP slot is his when it's likely to go to someone like Kristi Noem.

May be a bridge too far?

Um.

You should Google what happened to Liz ****ing Cheney.

The Republican Party you want is still an election cycle or two away. And those are election cycles in which they lose. The only way to correct this party is to force them out of power for several election cycles until they snap out of this drive for authoritarianism.