Retool around Donovan

[idiot]

You don't trade Beverly if you are going to retool. Bev is a ****ing man. He willed the Wolves to the playoffs last year.

He's also 34, (generously) 6-1, and on an expiring contract. A retool is not a single-year project.

If you can get possibly undervalued wing talent for him, I'll listen.

 

[idiot]

I'm just thinking about the soap opera that comes with him. Maybe Hardy is the Donovan whisperer but I think if you gave the new coach truth serum the vote would be that Donovan be traded.

I just don't buy that DM is a one-man team wrecker. Sorry.

 

[homeytennis]

I just don't buy that DM is a one-man team wrecker. Sorry.

He is no more a team wrecker than Kap or Tim Tebow were. Kap and Tebow were successful at what they did. Most coaches did not want to touch either one because of the circus they brought with them. DM has that circus in tow but to a lesser degree.

 

[Thejazzkickazz]

I just don't buy that DM is a one-man team wrecker. Sorry.

He's not a one-man team wrecker, that's a bit of an exaggeration. He's a mild primadonna that might be satiated by the concept of a team "building around" him. The problem for the Jazz is that DM is not Batman, he's Robin. No team built around Robin ever goes far in the playoffs. At this point, you go let him try to become Batman somewhere else (which will never happen), and rebuild. Just my two cents.

 

[hgb]

• Beverley for Talent Horton-Tucker (maybe we could pry a 2025 second-rounder back?) -- I think THT still has upside if he can get out from needing to fit alongside LBJ/Russ

I would definitely _not_ do this unless we get something useful (pick) if we're retooling.

 

[idiot]

He's not a one-man team wrecker, that's a bit of an exaggeration. He's a mild primadonna that might be satiated by the concept of a team "building around" him. The problem for the Jazz is that DM is not Batman, he's Robin. No team built around Robin ever goes far in the playoffs. At this point, you go let him try to become Batman somewhere else (which will never happen), and rebuild. Just my two cents.

Sure, I agree generally with this.

But what I was trying to get at with this thread (and see I haven't succeeded) is to move the discussion away from what the Jazz should do with Donovan, since this already occupies 70%+ of the threads active on this board now (we've all given our views dozens of times), but to have more of an imaginative thought experiment.

Of course most of us don't want Donovan to be the center of a retooling at this point and it's very unlikely to transpire. I was just trying to give us an intellectual exercise to take some of the edge off waiting for Donovan to get traded, but I guess most of us are in no mood to give this any more than a few seconds of thought.

 

[idiot]

He is no more a team wrecker than Kap or Tim Tebow were. Kap and Tebow were successful at what they did. Most coaches did not want to touch either one because of the circus they brought with them. DM has that circus in tow but to a lesser degree.

These comparisons are ... um ... extreme. Maybe you can get Oneye and Cy (in his trolling moments) to agree with you?

 

[idiot]

I would definitely _not_ do this unless we get something useful (pick) if we're retooling.

Fair enough. I think there's enough there with THT in a situation where he's not needed to be the spot-up shooter that it's long-term bet I'd make

 

[Coach Ellis]

I think it's the very rare coach who would prefer a full tank to having a star and some (at least decent) pieces around him.

I know most of this board is out on him, but I highly doubt his image around the league/team is low enough for Hardy not to welcome him if he's there.

Plus, they have a pre-existing relationship from USA Basketball. Still think there’s too much hinting toward a possible trade to NY that it’s the most likely outcome at this point.

I’d be happy to have him back though.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

You don't trade Beverly if you are going to retool. Bev is a ****ing man. He willed the Wolves to the playoffs last year.

Yeah but we have such a logjam at that position currently, and with Conley load managed and overpaid, you may have no choice.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You don't trade Beverly if you are going to retool. Bev is a ****ing man. He willed the Wolves to the playoffs last year.

Yeah you do.

If you want to re-tool you basically trade everyone over 30 on the team. Lose as many games as possible with Mitchell then use your cap space and future picks to get some players.

 

[idiot]

Yeah but we have such a logjam at that position currently, and with Conley load managed and overpaid, you may have no choice.

Generally agree. I totally get why people wat to keep PatBev if we're trying to win at all, but I'm not sure that the situation we're in will really allow keeping him to make a lot of sense. Besides all the things he does that help a team win (and there are a lot), he's old and short, one of our best trade chips, and perhaps our fifth best guard currently (depending on what you value in a guard).