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stitches

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OH yeah, I doubt it happens. IT's threading a needle and would require a lot of luck. I'm just saying if he has to stay on for another year, that's what I would do. Best case scenario is you convince NYK that they are no longer the favorite to sign Mitchell as Utah is clearly better and other destinations (LA/Miami) even ahead of them on his free agency list, so they have to make the move to get him.

Like, winning the lottery, getting Victor, and him obviously being a top 10 talent of all time kind of time kind of luck.

Im 100% team trade Mitchell, but I think you can be really bad with him without really hurting your tank too much and without hurting the value Mitchell could get (will probably be relatively the same next year).
IMO we can be bad with him. But we will need to get rid off some of the vets that help you win now. Realistically, if we move on from Conley, Bojan, Beverley, Clarkson(although... not so sure he will hurt the tank this much). We need less competent NBA rotational players around Donovan, because IMO he can make this teams offense respectable if he has shooters around him.

But if you trot out a lineup with something like... Donovan - Beasley - Bolmaro - Vanderbilt - Kessler/Udoka... we will probably still be one of the worst teams in the west. Like... look at the rest of the league, who is this team better than?
 


PresidioTrojan

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Though I and most others don't believe it's a real possibility, I'm wondering what a serious re-tooling around Donovan could even look like.

If I'm reading between the lines correctly in Tony Jones's reporting about Jazz's choices, one of the options may be to use the three first-rounders the Jazz have in 2023, and perhaps additional assets, to find a serious second option to go along with Donovan. In my imagination I'm thinking of something like a Pascal Siakam-quality player. Problem is, I have a hard time thinking of someone who we'd really want being available for what we have to offer, at least in the near term.

Another option is to just seek competence and better team balance, let Donovan be the clear star and see where that takes you. In trying to think of trades that might be available I'm imagining something like:

  • Dok + Conley (and probably modest draft capital -- let's says the worst of-Houston/Philly/Brooklyn 2023 FRP pick) for Poetl (Spurs have lots of cap space so a financially unbalanced trade works, and only one true PG on the roster; they should also not care if they win this year)
  • Clarkson (and probably very modest draft capital -- let's say a 2025 31-40 protected second rounder) for Kuzma (Wiz have logjam at PF and may be worried about whether Johnny Davis can be a rotation player this year after his poor summer league); (or alternatively Beasley for Jonathan Isaac, as the Magic have a logjam at PF and lack of scoring pop at SG -- though I doubt the Magic are selling on Isaac now and I doubt the Jazz want to buy on him now either)
  • NAW (and probably draft capital, since we're dealing with OKC, but hopefully modest -- let's say slightly worsening the protections for the 2024 draft pick we owe [if this is possible; I'm not sure it is]) for Kenrich Williams -- maybe this helps keep SGA happy by sending his cousin there?
  • Beverley for Talent Horton-Tucker (maybe we could pry a 2025 second-rounder back?) -- I think THT still has upside if he can get out from needing to fit alongside LBJ/Russ

That would leave us with (sending out only modest draft capital overall):
PG: DM, Butler, (I'd try to re-sign) Forrest
SG: Beasley, THT, Bolmaro, (Juzang--TW)
SF: Bogey, Fontecchio, Kenrich Williams (Sneed--TW)
PF: Kuzma, Vanderbilt (though he'll probably play at least some center, too), Gay
C: Poetl, Kessler, TBD (probably easy to find a 3rd-string center as a minimum signing)

It wouldn't be great team (probably pretty poor shooting, especially in the depth pieces), but it would bring a bit more youth and length to the Jazz and at least have competence at most line-up spots. Maybe there's a way to coax defensive competence out of it? Could it win 45 games in the West?

Assuming the Jazz somehow really decided to re-tool around Donovan, what do you envision the result looking like?

A curse on you and your family.
 

YoungJefe

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OH yeah, I doubt it happens. IT's threading a needle and would require a lot of luck. I'm just saying if he has to stay on for another year, that's what I would do. Best case scenario is you convince NYK that they are no longer the favorite to sign Mitchell as Utah is clearly better and other destinations (LA/Miami) even ahead of them on his free agency list, so they have to make the move to get him.

Like, winning the lottery, getting Victor, and him obviously being a top 10 talent of all time kind of time kind of luck.

Im 100% team trade Mitchell, but I think you can be really bad with him without really hurting your tank too much and without hurting the value Mitchell could get (will probably be relatively the same next year).
If Donovan has the choice of signing with the Heat, Clippers, and Knicks I'd put the Knicks chances of landing him at around 1%.
 


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