The only things being discussed satisfy both criteria. These are certainly not mutually exclusive.
Lakers-Jazz Trade
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I wouldn’t go that far. I know you’re down on the picks but I will forever preach that in 5-7 years ANYTHING can happen. Sexton on that contract will be a premium asset soon I’m predicting that.
Gonna mention this here, too:
Markkanen for Duncan Robinson, Jovic, ‘23 1st (unprotected out of necessity, but they should be juuust fine), and Strus routed to the Lakers to sweeten the pot and get the bag.
I think Markkanen is a near perfect piece for them and they are in the teeth of win now as some of their guys are teetering on falling off. Developing guys is great, but that’s not gonna help them as much in such a tight window.
Markkanen for Duncan Robinson, Jovic, ‘23 1st (unprotected out of necessity, but they should be juuust fine), and Strus routed to the Lakers to sweeten the pot and get the bag.
I think Markkanen is a near perfect piece for them and they are in the teeth of win now as some of their guys are teetering on falling off. Developing guys is great, but that’s not gonna help them as much in such a tight window.
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Jazz get some dice that some of these things turn out, but the house has much stronger odds, IMO. Yes, anything can happen in the window you mentioned, and that’s honestly the only defense for walking on what projects to be a better offer from the Knicks (because they’re a clown franchise).
And when I say premium, I mean the centerpiece of a mega-trade. A young perennial all-star, all-NBA player, top-5 pick, or multiple unprotected picks kind of value. I think Sexton is a nice piece at his number, but even if he balls out, I think getting a strong offer for him is quite context-dependent. I’m cool keeping him indefinitely but if the Mavericks come dangling a ‘26 unprotected pick and ‘28 top-5 protected pick then I’m biting.
I think we have the best bag of assets for any potential trade in the future. I know everyone hypes OKC because of the number of picks they have but we have the quality unprotected picks. Presti is jealous of the type of war chest Ainge has accumulated. Ainge told him to hold his beer.
This is a wrinkle to why swaps have such utility: you increase your odds of a higher pick and decrease your odds of a roster crunch simultaneously. OKC has too many middling picks to actually use.
Sure, it’s extra easy to max-out value on swaps once you start accumulating them (i.e. the Jazz’s ‘26 swap situation) but until that point they are great.
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Two downsides:. 1.) If the team has a bad record it is wasted 2.) It is a difficult asset to trade (all parties have to agree to any changes).
However if you are confident that the team will be better than the other team and that you don't want to do further trades involving the swap it is a fantastic value.
Release the Kraken
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I’ll assume responsibility for the misunderstanding but the intent was together as a package. One there plus the one for Bogey in a separate deal is still better than the one Pelinka is offering for all three.
Coach Ellis
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I just don’t think anyone is going to offer an unprotected pick through the rest of the offseason. I could be wrong, but I think the Lakers will be the last team this cycle to do that - and only because they want to get off Westbrook’s contract for next year.
Not to nitpick, but the reason is you can’t **** around with a year of Lebron, especially since you know he grilled them about being good in the extension talks.
Release the Kraken
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Pretty sure that both of Miami and Phoenix would do an unprotected first for Bogey. Not sure what trade value the other two have, but then again, I'd prefer to hang onto those guys at least for the first part of the season until we see how things shake out. Somebody around here really needs to do a statistical analysis of first round picks, because it's a crap shoot and most of them don't turn out to be stars. Also, there's no rule for rebuilds that says that all of your players have to be within a couple years of each other.
I'm doubtful that either would offer that. But if they did, you're right that they wouldn't be worth all that much more than just a pick that we know straight up is going to be in the 20s.
Engorged On Unborn Gore
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I don't think the trade of Patrick Beverley was a "down payment". It was more like the surgical implant of a cancerous tumor.
Not that there's anything wrong with Beverley. But allowing the Lakers to acquire him puts their locker room in a very perilous situation the closer the season gets.
The beef between Beverley and Westbrook is not purely a matter of competition. It is seriously personal. And if anyone would know anything about personal beefs between players, it would be Danny Ainge.
Seeing Indiana balk at the notion of a sensible trade for Hield really puts the screws to Palinka. It basically makes New York and Utah the only plausible suitors for Westbrook's contract. And since New York is not going to facilitate a trade with Utah in the near future, really this is all about a package around Bogey. I see Vanderbilt and possibly Rudy Gay being potentially part of the deal also, because LA needs big men and wings who can rebound.
It would suck losing Vanderbilt. But his youth and gifts may be the key in acquiring two picks out of this deal.
Palinka is trying to play it like they are fine with running it back. But I think in reality he is on the phone every day with anyone who will talk to him, just desperate to find a trade that will work with only one of those picks. He wants to keep one to make another deal.
Ainge's tiny deal for Beverley may not have seemed like much. But it really turned up the volume on what was already an intolerable situation with Westbrook.
Not that there's anything wrong with Beverley. But allowing the Lakers to acquire him puts their locker room in a very perilous situation the closer the season gets.
The beef between Beverley and Westbrook is not purely a matter of competition. It is seriously personal. And if anyone would know anything about personal beefs between players, it would be Danny Ainge.
Seeing Indiana balk at the notion of a sensible trade for Hield really puts the screws to Palinka. It basically makes New York and Utah the only plausible suitors for Westbrook's contract. And since New York is not going to facilitate a trade with Utah in the near future, really this is all about a package around Bogey. I see Vanderbilt and possibly Rudy Gay being potentially part of the deal also, because LA needs big men and wings who can rebound.
It would suck losing Vanderbilt. But his youth and gifts may be the key in acquiring two picks out of this deal.
Palinka is trying to play it like they are fine with running it back. But I think in reality he is on the phone every day with anyone who will talk to him, just desperate to find a trade that will work with only one of those picks. He wants to keep one to make another deal.
Ainge's tiny deal for Beverley may not have seemed like much. But it really turned up the volume on what was already an intolerable situation with Westbrook.
This.
Are the Lakers going to play hard ball here and risk going into the season with the team they have now? That’s not a play off team and certainly not a championship team.
They HAVE to add real, quality, pieces and ideally pieces that are expiring. And a trade partner that will have space to take back Westbrook.
Y’all tell me…..
The Jazz are the only team that can check off all those boxes. Both sides better come correct.
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Release the Kraken
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Fair enough! Still not enough for me to take on that massive contract (for one solitary pick for three very productive players) that we know straight up is not going to be discounted, meaning we're likely stuck with the player - I mean ask Ryan if he has 41 mil just layin around. And the player is even more toxic than his massive stinking contract.
homeytennis
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I've talked to a lot of Jazz fans who have said if Westbrook plays a second for the Jazz, they are former fans.
He wouldn't play a second for the Jazz...his contract would be bought out. I'm not sure why people can't get that through their heads.
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Or this notion that the Jazz need to find money for the buyout (THEY DON'T, THE PLAYERS THEY TRADE OUT WOULD BE PAID ROUGHLY THE SAME AMOUNT).
Exactly. It's not that hard to comprehend.