The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[RandyForRubio]

I agree there needs to be a better coordinated effort to respond to the refugees and migrants at the border. I don't see how that gets done without massive funding.


What do you mean by "fix it"? Stop the flow of refugees from various criminals, by sending them back to the criminals?


I think it will be a day of the week that ends in a "y". I've heard these complaints my entire adult life.


Immigrants already move through the US. We've provided for them here in the St. Louis area. NYC has more immigrants than any 2 other US cities combined. Texas and Arizona don't have a single city in the top 10 of percentage of immigrants. Florida only has two in the top 10, and by far the largest percentage of them are Cuban (the immigrants we supposedly welcome), making up a third of the overall population.

List of United States cities by foreign-born population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Miami-Dade County, Florida - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In states overall, Florida is 4th in percent of immigrants (again, half are Cuban, or it would be 16th), Texas is 8th, and Arizona is 14th. They are not bearing a disproportionate share of dealing with the immigrant population. They're just whining about it.

List of U.S. states and territories by immigrant population - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Again, transferring is not dumping.

That's a nice play on words. When republicans do it, it's dumping. When Biden does it, it's transferring.

Certain states have a border problem that isn't just being ignored, it's being refuted. So they're bringing the problem to those who think everything is fine. Now maybe they'll admit there is a problem, which is the first step to fixing something.

 

[One Brow]

That's a nice play on words. When republicans do it, it's dumping. When Biden does it, it's transferring.

When Republicans coordinate with the place to which the immigrants are being sent, it's transferring (and several Republican governors transfer instead of dump). When Democrats send them without such coordination, it's dumping (I haven't heard of this, but it could be occurring and I don't know it).

Certain states have a border problem that isn't just being ignored, it's being refuted.

Certain other states with a border problem aren't whining in the news every other day about it.

Who are the major politicians publicly saying (or have said in the past two years) there is no border problem?

So they're bringing the problem to those who think everything is fine.

Who, despite the complete lack of cooperation, are dealing w2ith it in a way the whiners hate.

Now maybe they'll admit there is a problem, which is the first step to fixing something.

What does a "fix" look like?

 

[One Brow]

The rhetoric for this, and for a man hiding outside a SC Justice's house with weapons and gear for abduction seem to be different coming from you. I wonder why.

The guy hiding outside the house didn't actually go into it, and he called 911 on himself, IIRC. Do you think that's a relevant difference?

 

[The Thriller]

The rhetoric for this, and for a man hiding outside a SC Justice's house with weapons and gear for abduction seem to be different coming from you. I wonder why.

Really? How so?

Could you quote what I said about this man hiding outside of a Supreme Court justice’s house? Was I supportive of this? I’d love to see this/these post/posts.

You wouldn’t be lying, would you? Or do you have me confused with another person in your life? Truly, I’d love to know what you’re alluding to here.

 

[Bucknutz]

What does "fix" the border mean?

Stop immigrants from coming here?
Stop refugees from requesting asylum?
Streamline the immigration process? Issue out more worker visas?
Militarize more/Demilitarize the border?
Build a wall?
Something else???

I think we need to agree first what it means when people say, "fix the border" since that can mean one thing to one person and something completely different to another.

Agreed. I stated my basic ideas of how to fix it.

Also, weren't Republicans just bitching like 5 mins ago about human trafficking and the long wait times in the service industry and the high cost of food?

Wow, these immigrants can only be forced to work in agriculture and service industries, or be apart of the sex trade? Maybe you're a bit racist here.

How can one be concerned with human trafficking and not be appalled by what Abbott and DeSantis are doing?

You consider bussing immigrants to other places in the US, human trafficking.
“the unlawful act of transporting or coercing people in order to benefit from their work or service, typically in the form of forced labor or sexual exploitation”
Neither of these things are happening.

How can one be angry about the worker shortage our country currently has but also discourage refugees and immigrants from coming here?

We want worker shortage right now due to inflation. When we have inflation, a method to combat it is for higher wages. If we have a huge pool of workers to choose from then business can keep wages low. Even right now our nations wage growth is raising at lower rate than inflation, which means most Americans are making less money now then from a year ago. Worker shortage gives workers an opportunity to negotiate better wages. So yes we want to discourage immigrants from coming here.

Rapid Wage Growth Keeps Pressure on U.S. Inflation

Pay increases have exceeded an annual 5% every month this year as companies vie for workers in tight job market, a factor contributing to four-decade high U.S. inflation.

www.wsj.com

I hope we aren't letting white grievance lead our views here on "the border crisis."

Why do you bring race into every topic. It’s not about their skin color. If Ukrainian's came here in millions, there would be the same issues.

 

[One Brow]

Wow, these immigrants can only be forced to work in agriculture and service industries ... ?

Forced? It's often a better opportunity that what they had at home. It's the job the non-refugee undocumented expect.

We want worker shortage right now due to inflation. When we have inflation, a method to combat it is for higher wages. If we have a huge pool of workers to choose from then business can keep wages low.

the primary reason for inflation is disruption of the market due to labor shortages, to my understanding. Inject labor, less inflation.

Why do you bring race into every topic. It’s not about their skin color. If Ukrainian's came here in millions, there would be the same issues.

I guarantee you that you won't see busload of Bosnian, Ukrainian, or any other European refugees shipped out on buses to other states.

For example, none of this community:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/texasbaptists/intercultural-ministry/BOSNIAN-COMMUNITY-OF-NORTH-TEXAS.pdf

 

[RandyForRubio]

Really? How so?

Could you quote what I said about this man hiding outside of a Supreme Court justice’s house? Was I supportive of this? I’d love to see this/these post/posts.

You wouldn’t be lying, would you? Or do you have me confused with another person in your life? Truly, I’d love to know what you’re alluding to here.

I'm rather positive you didn't blame his actions on liberals or democrats talking about how dangerous justices are, how Kavanaugh and Co don't deserve to be there, needto be stopped, etc, etc, etc.

You're not dumb. You know exactly how you're treating the situations differently. Don't play dumb, k? Thx bby.

 

[The Thriller]

I'm rather positive you didn't blame his actions on liberals or democrats talking about how dangerous justices are, how Kavanaugh and Co don't deserve to be there, needto be stopped, etc, etc, etc.

You're not dumb. You know exactly how you're treating the situations differently. Don't play dumb, k? Thx bby.

No no no, don’t you do this. You made a completely inappropriate and slanderous claim. Back it up with quotes, things I actually wrote, or apologize right now.

You’re not really this tribal, dishonest, and classless, are you?

 

[RandyForRubio]

Forced? It's often a better opportunity that what they had at home. It's the job the non-refugee undocumented expect.


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If only there was a way for them to come here and do that legally...

For real though, it's incredibly frustrating how difficult the H2A program has been to work with recently while others can just walk over the border no problem. Getting penalized for doing things the legal way is sure incentive to continue as is.

 

[RandyForRubio]

No no no, don’t you do this. You made a completely inappropriate and slanderous claim. Back it up with quotes, things I actually wrote, or apologize right now.

You’re not really this tribal, dishonest, and classless,

No no no, don’t you do this. You made a completely inappropriate and slanderous claim. Back it up with quotes, things I actually wrote, or apologize right now.

You’re not really this tribal, dishonest, and classless, are you?

You calling somebody tribal is rather ironic. Pot calling the kettle black. If you can't see that...

Anyways, I'll break it down for you. You recently blamed the crazy guy at DQ with guns on dangerous talk from conservatives. Did you do the same in regards to liberals when a man with weapons was arrested outside of a SC Justice's house? We both know you did not. It's fine that you're the most partisan person on this board, just own it.

 

[The Thriller]

You calling somebody tribal is rather ironic. Pot calling the kettle black. If you can't see that...

Anyways, I'll break it down for you. You recently blamed the crazy guy at DQ with guns on dangerous talk from conservatives. Did you do the same in regards to liberals when a man with weapons was arrested outside of a SC Justice's house? We both know you did not. It's fine that you're the most partisan person on this board, just own it.

Have you no shame? Unreal.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Have you no shame? Unreal.

Very little, tbh. You're avoiding, btw.

 

[gandalfe]

Very little, tbh. You're avoiding, btw.

Can you provide quotes from him, or not?

 

[RandyForRubio]

Can you provide quotes from him, or not?

Uhhh...no. I'm asking Thriller if he treated the two situations in a similar way. You see, I'm asking because I know he didn't. He knows he didn't. Why waste my time looking when we all know?

 

[gandalfe]

Uhhh...no. I'm asking Thriller if he treated the two situations in a similar way. You see, I'm asking because I know he didn't. He knows he didn't. Why waste my time looking when we all know?

So, you're making an unprovable claim saying that "we all know." That's just an absolute pile.

 

[RandyForRubio]

So, you're making an unprovable claim saying that "we all know." That's just an absolute pile.

It's very provable, I'm just lazy. And again, we all know. Don't be obtuse. Has Thriller been non-partisan in the past decade? Nope. And all Thriller has to do is respond, and despite multiple opportunities he chose not to. Don't be obtuse.

 

[The Thriller]

Annnnnndddd why should both of these events be treated the same? See, this is where @RandyForRubio’s tribalism and insecurity really show up. He knows that the actual violence committed by the “very fine people” on his side is wrong but refuses to address the reason. Instead, he goes into a tailspin of whataboutism.

The reason why no one called out Democratic politicians and media out for the guy who hid outside of Kavanaugh’s house is because there aren’t any Democratic politicians and media calling for his head. @RandyForRubio you’ve already been called out for the lack of evidence before, let’s do it again. Find me some prominent Democratic politicians and/or media figures who’ve demanded Kavanaugh’s head on a stick?

You’re just not seeing former presidents Obama or Clinton calling the SCOTUS “corrupt” and “un-American.” And “left wing” corporate media either repeats the right wing narrative in an effort to “balance” the two sides or completely adopts it in lame attempts to siphon Fox News views (CNN). Meanwhile, right wing media on a daily basis fans the flames of violence, racism, and civil war.

You demand both situations to be treated the same but they’re both completely different. We’ve seen what your politicians and media figures have motivated Americans to do over the last few years:

• Caesar Sayoc and his bombs
• Jan 6
• CRT and books panic
• Anti-mask then Anti-vaccine stances. Your side began drowning themselves in ****ing anti-malarial garbage and horse dewormer because your leaders and media recommended it as quack treatments for Covid.
• Qanon
• Attempted kidnapping of Democratic governors to “liberate states!”
• Charlottesville
• El Paso marketplace and Pittsburg Synagogue
• Comet Pizza
• Seth Rich saga
• Voter suppression laws to prevent the non-existent voter fraud from 2020 from occurring again all because Donnie J won’t admit he lost.
• And now we’re seeing horrible mistreatment of immigrants by Republican presidential hopefuls all because the leader of your party is a bigot and right wing media exploits the white grievance of its voters.

You just don’t see this kind of rhetoric, tribalism, and blind loyalty on the left from its politicians to its media outlets. One can easily see who and what influenced this man to do this. It’s been a hallmark of Trump and RW media for two years now:

Semi-fascists on the march. This is what happens after years of fostering conspiracy and hate speech. Of course these fascists think they’re patriots, their god and savior tells them everyday how they’ve been wronged and refuses to admit that Biden won.


View: https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1569864620801753090?s=46&t=sZaChux-4rN2h1awJfltQA

Can one do the same for the man who hid outside of Kavanaugh’s?

A person more confident in himself and his politics might recognize this. Unfortunately, I have the feeling Randy is just going to double down.

 

[The Thriller]

So, you're making an unprovable claim saying that "we all know." That's just an absolute pile.

Initially, he claimed my rhetoric damned me.
Now he claims my lack of rhetoric damned me.

He's just throwing mud at the wall in the dark hoping something sticks. He must’ve gotten up on the wrong side of the bed yesterday. Unfortunately, I think it’s more of a systemic issue among those who identify Republican.

In all reality, when was the last time a conservative or someone who identifies as Republican on here been able to debate things in a rational fact filled manner? It’s been quite a long time. Seems like every Republican on here has to resort to conspiracies, grievance, personal attacks, and whataboutism. It’s disheartening. But I guess that’s what happens when your party doesn’t have a platform outside of tax cuts for the rich, loyalty to Trump, and doing whatever to ownthelibs

 

[RandyForRubio]

Annnnnndddd why should both of these events be treated the same? See, this is where @RandyForRubio’s tribalism and insecurity really show up. He knows that the actual violence committed by the “very fine people” on his side is wrong but refuses to address the reason. Instead, he goes into a tailspin of whataboutism.

The reason why no one called out Democratic politicians and media out for the guy who hid outside of Kavanaugh’s house is because there aren’t any Democratic politicians and media calling for his head. @RandyForRubio you’ve already been called out for the lack of evidence before, let’s do it again. Find me some prominent Democratic politicians and/or media figures who’ve demanded Kavanaugh’s head on a stick?

You’re just not seeing former presidents Obama or Clinton calling the SCOTUS “corrupt” and “un-American.” And “left wing” corporate media either repeats the right wing narrative in an effort to “balance” the two sides or completely adopts it in lame attempts to siphon Fox News views (CNN). Meanwhile, right wing media on a daily basis fans the flames of violence, racism, and civil war.

You demand both situations to be treated the same but they’re both completely different. We’ve seen what your politicians and media figures have motivated Americans to do over the last few years:

• Caesar Sayoc and his bombs
• Jan 6
• CRT and books panic
• Anti-mask then Anti-vaccine stances. Your side began drowning themselves in ****ing anti-malarial garbage and horse dewormer because your leaders and media recommended it as quack treatments for Covid.
• Qanon
• Attempted kidnapping of Democratic governors to “liberate states!”
• Charlottesville
• El Paso marketplace and Pittsburg Synagogue
• Comet Pizza
• Seth Rich saga
• Voter suppression laws to prevent the non-existent voter fraud from 2020 from occurring again all because Donnie J won’t admit he lost.
• And now we’re seeing horrible mistreatment of immigrants by Republican presidential hopefuls all because the leader of your party is a bigot and right wing media exploits the white grievance of its voters.

You just don’t see this kind of rhetoric, tribalism, and blind loyalty on the left from its politicians to its media outlets. One can easily see who and what influenced this man to do this. It’s been a hallmark of Trump and RW media for two years now:


Can one do the same for the man who hid outside of Kavanaugh’s?

A person more confident in himself and his politics might recognize this. Unfortunately, I have the feeling Randy is just going to double down.

"I want to tell you, Gorsuch. I want to tell you, Kavanaugh. You have unleashed the whirlwind, and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions." - Schumer. Not directly a head on a stake, but I mean, not peaceful either.

If I recall, Maxine Waters of Florida told people to harass Trump's associates if they saw them in public.

I think there's a dangerous amount of violent rhetoric from both sides, and very little being done by anybody to curtail it. We need to be able to call a spade a spade if there's any hope of fixing this. Calling people who oppose you fascists or communists isn't going to do anything but build resentment, and I'm guilty of it too. We all need to do better.

 

[One Brow]

Anyways, I'll break it down for you. You recently blamed the crazy guy at DQ with guns on dangerous talk from conservatives. Did you do the same in regards to liberals when a man with weapons was arrested outside of a SC Justice's house? We both know you did not. It's fine that you're the most partisan person on this board, just own it.

What do you see as some of the talk from liberals that would have encouraged a man to hunt Kavanaugh down? Are we talking abut expressions of frustration, or atual discussion about tearing down the government? Is it coming from Congressional Representatives? Do you see an equivalent on the left (in terms of pushing fictional narratives) for Boebert, Greene, Hawley, etc.?

I'll admit to being far left enough that I could be missing some things, and every once in a while it's good to check my biases.