It's W/E overall though. Obviously Ryan Smith didnt want this tank thing to happen but DA/JZ talked him into pursuing it. He's going to get compensated by the team being more affordable and having trades like these. It's fair, I guess.
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One of them was Duncan Robinson and likely their 2023 1st. If it was their 27/28/29 1st I’d bet we would have done that.
Yeah, 3 picks would have done it.
I dont think any single individual one would have done it though.
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It's good of you to be concerned about the Smith's.
I don't think we are trying to maintain cap space next year for salary dumps. From everything we are hearing it sounds like we legit think we can get some free agents next year that will put us in to contention.
Next year is a OK free agent class without the top top end talent. THe following year is the GOAT class. I do think Utah can maybe cleanup if they put their eggs in that basket and get some solid overall players on good deals.
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Just by selling off the stars and Royce and not competing he saved like $30M+
Last year they saved $12M on the NAW deal... it was a credit card doe... so they needed to cut another $5M I guess.
Fine with cutting salary to save some money I guess but maybe not with Bogey... at least squeeze them for a second round pick so you can route that pick to someone to take Doke's salary or Lee's salary or JB's salary to save some more cash.
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Sure, but what's the plan to get All Star level talent? (Could be misinterpreting your post)
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Again... they are misreading the market on their cap space. The cap is going to the moon... those deals signed in two years will be like 50% more than the deals signed last offseason or this offseason. Also when the cap rises everyone has space which opens up the best destinations. Sure... sounds like a great plan... hunt for deals in the frothiest market there will be... maybe we can overpay Mozgov or Deng?!?!?!?!?
Its very reminiscent of the KOC/DL years where we "kept powder dry" and waited to strike... then had nothing good to use our space on so instead of taking a swing on one of the wings we got to assume Diaw's deal, overpay Favs on 1 year deals, and sign the Trevor Bookers of the world.
We are not reading the market right.
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Absolutely agree. This has Smith on his heals and a lot of season ticket holders are not as thrilled with tanking as most on this board.
THis upcoming year in the draft. You hope one of Lauri/Sexton can fault themselves into being an All-Star level player. You hope you can sign a borderline all-star guy in UFA that could elevate himself to an all-star in the right situation. Or you trade the future picks for an all-star if one you like becomes available.
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Add in the fact that with extensions and extension rules... less and less young FAs are actually hitting the market. You likely need to trade for AS talent and the best thing to use to do that is picks or young players.
Say we landed a pick in 2023 cuz that is what was available. You can always trade into other drafts on draft night if you are not wanting to add too many rookies.
Having a giant hole at center was actually going to be a very good thing. Its what will take us from 30 wins to less than 25.
I get they wanted some vet leaders but you can get that any number of ways... and we still have JC, Mike, etc.
Say we landed a pick in 2023 cuz that is what was available. You can always trade into other drafts on draft night if you are not wanting to add too many rookies.
Having a giant hole at center was actually going to be a very good thing. Its what will take us from 30 wins to less than 25.
I get they wanted some vet leaders but you can get that any number of ways... and we still have JC, Mike, etc.
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Season tickets are already sold though... even in the Corbin years we had great attendance. This era is more exciting because the young players we have. Ryan is going to end up getting a windfall of cash when the new TV deal comes. If they add two expansion teams he's looking at another huge windfall of cash... buy in could be like $2B per team... so 3-4B split between 30 owners.
Yet he out here saving 6-7M cuz he gots to sell moar tikkkets. Ryan can't be out here crying poor.
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This from Dan Clayton: "Incidentally, Lee landed in Detroit via the second-round pick Utah used to dump Tony Bradley’s contract back in 2020. He likely was in this deal purely for financial reasons; Detroit was about $1.2M shy of being able to complete the deal with their remaining cap space, and Lee makes $1.7M. It’s unlikely the Jazz view him as any kind of compensation/sweetener as he has mostly offered sub-replacement level value so far. He might get a chance to fight for a roster spot in the training camp, or he might not — the Jazz, after all, have to cut someone just to execute the announced signings of Zeller and two-way big man Micah Potter."
How much longer are we going to have to pay for DL's sins?
How much longer are we going to have to pay for DL's sins?
Just answering the question on what Tony said.
gomretat
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No one said he is crying poor but he knows there are plenty of captive customers who are not happy and want out. I know this from firsthand experience dealing with a season ticket rep. Smith blew it on a rebrand and now has a product that lots of loyal fans dont care about. It will be interesting to see what happens next year with ticket prices and season ticket renewals.
You know this bold part can’t be true right?
How did we get a ****ing haul for Donovan then?
Eddie Zero
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This is the kind of thing that happens when the player is over 30 ,wants a bus ticket out immediately ,and makes it known to everyone, he wants out. The fact Ainge was only able to get a player he drafted back in Boston, to agree to play for his tanking team, and agree to not cause a fuss about being traded there, because he would have a potential starting job,should not be surprising.