Culture of winning or tank?

[The Midnight]

Yeah that's different than tanking I think. Making moves for the purpose of rebuilding/reloading is fine. If you win fewer games as a result and get a better pick, that's an added bonus but it's not the purpose of those moves.

Making moves just for the purpose of losing games is tanking. Sitting good players out for no reason other than to lose is tanking.

So Ainge traded Gobert and Mitchell before the season starts - and according to you that's not tanking.

Then during the season Ainge trades Conley and Clarkson to lose more games - you're gonna say that's tanking?

It's the same part of the WHOLE PROCESS.

 

[Ben10]

What IS tanking? To me it’s being bad for a few years to reload. It’s wide. It doesn’t mean you have to be the WoRst team.

Ok so In reverse what is winning couture? To me it is playing the best players you have and trying to complete. As long as the Jazz are playing hard and competitive that is what is important. Tanking is when you have better players sitting on the bench and you just roll the ball out with young guys and don’t care about the outcome. At least that’s the difference in my mind.
That’s why I think some of the bad tanking teams stay bad.

 

[MTS]

To me Tanking is a PROCESS that starts with the GM trading away all your best talent and decides that the team will be bad for a while to accumulate new talent via you being bad & the picks that you get later down the line.

Meh.

You said it yourself that Ainge is doing what he did with the Celtics. He rebuilt the Celtics into title contenders twice, and in neither case did he ever rely on a drafted player from the Celtics being bad.

 

[MTS]

So Ainge traded Gobert and Mitchell before the season starts - and according to you that's not tanking.

That isn't tanking at all. He got a ****load of young players and other teams picks.

Tanking is trying to be bad so that your OWN draft pick is terrible.

 

[The Midnight]

Meh.

You said it yourself that Ainge is doing what he did with the Celtics. He rebuilt the Celtics into title contenders twice, and in neither case did he ever rely on a drafted player from the Celtics being bad.

The Celtics WERE BAD, they got to 25 wins that year. They got Smart with that pick. But they could have gotten better talent too. But they were bad.

 

[The Midnight]

That isn't tanking at all. He got a ****load of young players and other teams picks.

Tanking is trying to be bad so that your OWN draft pick is terrible.

Who is trying to be bad? Players and the coach aren't They're doing their best to win. It's the GM that sets them on the course.

 

[The Midnight]

Ok so In reverse what is winning couture? To me it is playing the best players you have and trying to complete. As long as the Jazz are playing hard and competitive that is what is important. Tanking is when you have better players sitting on the bench and you just roll the ball out with young guys and don’t care about the outcome. At least that’s the difference in my mind.
That’s why I think some of the bad tanking teams stay bad.

You get bad, get good players, then with those players you start to win. It's been proven that you can be bad, then be really really good.

 

[MTS]

The Celtics WERE BAD, they got to 25 wins that year. They got Smart with that pick. But they could have gotten better talent too. But they were bad.

I think you just don't know what tanking is honestly.

Being bad in and of itself is not tanking, dude. Blowing it up because the current roster ain't it is also not tanking.

The Celtics weren't intentionally trying to be bad for a better pick - they were rebuilding. And neither of their rebuilds even got them a star in the draft from their own picks being high.

 

[The Midnight]

I'll repost this here for convenience:

GSW were BAD for at least 4 straight years before they start winning and won the NBA Finals.

2008/09: 29 - 53 - Drafted Steph Curry
2009/10: 26 - 56
2010/11: 36 - 46 - Drafted Klay Thompson
2011/12: 23 - 43 - Drafted Harrison Barnes & Draymond Green
2012/13: 47 - 35
2013/14: 51 - 31
2014/15: 67 - 15 - Won NBA Finals

 

[The Midnight]

I think you just don't know what tanking is honestly.

Being bad in and of itself is not tanking, dude. Blowing it up because the current roster ain't it is also not tanking.

The Celtics weren't intentionally trying to be bad for a better pick - they were rebuilding. And neither of their rebuilds even got them a star in the draft from their own picks being high.

Then give me an example of players and coach that intentionally tries to lose to tank then.

 

[MTS]

Then give me an example of players and coach that intentionally tries to lose to tank then.

You are so lost if you think I'm saying the players and coaches are the ones intentionally tanking.

 

[The Midnight]

Players and Coaches don't tank. It's the GM that puts them on the course to being bad.