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Official Utah/Minnesota/Philadelphia Pick Watch

YoungJefe said:
Losing their two biggest "dogs" in Vanderbilt/Pat and replacing them with another soft dude to pair with KAT the softest dude in the NBA was not smart.
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They made the Utah mistake of assuming Rudy can cover for everyone. Sad for Rudy. I hope he gets to play on a team that surrounds him with good 2-way talent at some point.
 
LogGrad98 said:
They made the Utah mistake of assuming Rudy can cover for everyone. Sad for Rudy. I hope he gets to play on a team that surrounds him with good 2-way talent at some point.
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A lot of people on here claimed that KAT/Ant were good defenders so I knew they had never seen them play before. Minnesota's biggest issue is that KAT just doesn't fit well with Rudy on either side of the court. Rudy's presence in the paint has also hurt their spacing because McDaniels is basically a non-shooter while Ant/DLo are just average shooters. Ant in particular loves to just rim run but he literally has 0 dunks so far this season.

With Rudy on the court they have a 103 offensive rating while they have a 119 offensive rating with him off the court.
 
Elizah Huge said:
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Worst offensive rating in the league by a wide margin.
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Wow. I wasn't sure what to think about the Rudy/KAT pairing, thought it could maybe work. I didn't expect it to fail as bad though. One problem is certainly difficult personalities. But if I was Finch I would have a look at Jazz 2018/19 playbook. We still worked much better on the offense with Rubio rookie DM Ingles Favors and Rudy. And imagine if Favors had been as good shooter as Towns. When I watched Timberwolves a bit this season it struck me that their guards don't make much use of Rudy's screens. I found it also weird that they played Rudy and Towns like 10 minutes together in the preseason. Thought it should have been a priority to make those two acquainted with each other on the court.
 
YoungJefe said:

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It's mostly due to Sleepy Gary, imo. Never been impressed with KAT. But really just added one tough guy to 4 soft guys and didn't retool the offense to fit the new dynamic. If they had a rim-running playmaker to go with Gobert, ala Joe Ingles, to run the screen/roll/kick type offense, they could be stellar, with decent spacing, but they don't have the 3 pt shooters either. Bad team-building after the trade. Didn't do anything to plug any of the holes, and yes, gave away all their nasty.

But it could make for one hell of a season for us, if we keep winning AND get a top 10 pick from the Wolves. Wow.
 
Jazzmix said:
Wow. I wasn't sure what to think about the Rudy/KAT pairing, thought it could maybe work. I didn't expect it to fail as bad though. One problem is certainly difficult personalities. But if I was Finch I would have a look at Jazz 2018/19 playbook. We still worked much better on the offense with Rubio rookie DM Ingles Favors and Rudy. And imagine if Favors had been as good shooter as Towns. When I watched Timberwolves a bit this season it struck me that their guards don't make much use of Rudy's screens. I found it also weird that they played Rudy and Towns like 10 minutes together in the preseason. Thought it should have been a priority to make those two acquainted with each other on the court.
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Yep. Bad team-building all around really. Surprised me how bad they are too. I figured they would struggle a bit out of the gate but then figure it out and get rolling at some point. Still might I guess. But I think that the 5 starters are just clashing too much and there is too much quit in a couple of them at least, so it is tough to see them bouncing back.

We got all their guys with no quit in them. And it shows in our current, never-quit team. Quite the contrast. Shocking really.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Yep. Bad team-building all around really. Surprised me how bad they are too. I figured they would struggle a bit out of the gate but then figure it out and get rolling at some point. Still might I guess. But I think that the 5 starters are just clashing too much and there is too much quit in a couple of them at least, so it is tough to see them bouncing back.

We got all their guys with no quit in them. And it shows in our current, never-quit team. Quite the contrast. Shocking really.
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The Wolves have been one of the worst franchises in the league for a decade outside of last season. KAT has been paired with stars throughout his career and hasn't played winning basketball, Edwards hasn't really shown that he can consistently play winning basketball, and DLo is pretty mediocre as well. Their team has always been known to be soft and they added another cry baby that's soft in Rudy.

McDaniels is basically useless with their starting 5 while Ant/KAT's games are both negatively impacted by Rudy as well. KAT has to be a spot up shooter and Ant can't really drive because their spacing is terrible.

Everyone really under valued the amount of effort that Quin and the front office did to build a team that complimented Rudy. I mean really what other player in the league had a roster crafted around their strengths to the same capacity Rudy did here?
 
YoungJefe said:
The Wolves have been one of the worst franchises in the league for a decade outside of last season. KAT has been paired with stars throughout his career and hasn't played winning basketball, Edwards hasn't really shown that he can consistently play winning basketball, and DLo is pretty mediocre as well. Their team has always been known to be soft and they added another cry baby that's soft in Rudy.

McDaniels is basically useless with their starting 5 while Ant/KAT's games are both negatively impacted by Rudy as well. KAT has to be a spot up shooter and Ant can't really drive because their spacing is terrible.

Everyone really under valued the amount of effort that Quin and the front office did to build a team that complimented Rudy. I mean really what other player in the league had a roster crafted around their strengths to the same capacity Rudy did here?
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And it showed with one of the best offenses, if not the best, for years running, and even with Rudy at the top of the league for ORTG for years as well. If only we had a single other player give a single **** about defense we could be looking at a totally different story right now with our stars still here and a banner to boot. Woulda coulda shoulda.
 
YoungJefe said:
It's almost as if a lot of players find it hard to play with Rudy
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I always thought Rudy is tough to fit in most modern offensive schemes. He would be a freaking monster in the early 90s, but in this era where outside shooting is so important and iso ball is played a lot, you just leave him unguarded in the corner without a worry. That means he isn't tying up a defender or creating an off ball impact for those schemes. It really limits what they can do offensively.
 
HermanG said:
I always thought Rudy is tough to fit in most modern offensive schemes. He would be a freaking monster in the early 90s, but in this era where outside shooting is so important and iso ball is played a lot, you just leave him unguarded in the corner without a worry. That means he isn't tying up a defender or creating an off ball impact for those schemes. It really limits what they can do offensively.
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Which is why our motion offense, the "blender" if you will, that used a Rudy screen and roll as the catalyst was so highly effective. Everyone moving and Rudy pulling 2-3 defenders in his wake. When we ignored the key cog in the offense of course it stalled out. But use him as that roll player with his dunking threat at the rim and good things happened. To the tune of league-leading team offense and individual ORTG for Rudy at the top of the league for several seasons. But as soon as we settled for iso ball and ignoring Rudy it all fell apart. The offense has to be geared to take advantage of what he brings, and if it doesn't, then it falters.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Which is why our motion offense, the "blender" if you will, that used a Rudy screen and roll as the catalyst was so highly effective. Everyone moving and Rudy pulling 2-3 defenders in his wake. When we ignored the key cog in the offense of course it stalled out. But use him as that roll player with his dunking threat at the rim and good things happened. To the tune of league-leading team offense and individual ORTG for Rudy at the top of the league for several seasons. But as soon as we settled for iso ball and ignoring Rudy it all fell apart. The offense has to be geared to take advantage of what he brings, and if it doesn't, then it falters.
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Just for the record, I'm not saying he cannot be effective offensively. I'm saying he reduces the options, and requires more scheming.

This is one reason I love our current top 3 bigs. If we go 5 out with our triple tower lineup, its impossible to defend perfectly. We got too many guys (our guards + Lauri) who can drive to the open paint if you spread out the entire defense (especially if we get some good switches and mismatches), and if you collapse we can all hit open shots... even Vando.
 
LogGrad98 said:
And it showed with one of the best offenses, if not the best, for years running, and even with Rudy at the top of the league for ORTG for years as well. If only we had a single other player give a single **** about defense we could be looking at a totally different story right now with our stars still here and a banner to boot. Woulda coulda shoulda.
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We needed guys that could score and shot at high clips. They have a name for guys that do that and defend at a high level, All-NBA players.
 
HermanG said:
I always thought Rudy is tough to fit in most modern offensive schemes. He would be a freaking monster in the early 90s, but in this era where outside shooting is so important and iso ball is played a lot, you just leave him unguarded in the corner without a worry. That means he isn't tying up a defender or creating an off ball impact for those schemes. It really limits what they can do offensively.
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You need 4 good shooters around him for it to work and it's difficult when you have him alongside another center and a wing that can't shoot or create.
 
Elizah Huge said:
What about this Minnesota team screamed they were ready? Lmao the play-in win against a team missing their best player?

Edwards and KAT are 21 and 26. Not sure I understand the urgency they felt. Just a horrific trade on their end.
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I posted this months ago after the trade happened and it feels extremely relevant now.
 
YoungJefe said:
We needed guys that could score and shot at high clips. They have a name for guys that do that and defend at a high level, All-NBA players.
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Yep, agreed. DM not a single time. Yet...

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