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RealGM reports Jazz interested in Trading for John Collins

I would have loved to see what anyone had to say about Markkanen before us trading for him. The extra aura to adding young underutilized players is our system is perfect for them.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ok but we don't have Lauri touches to give out to everyone
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Which is obvious but we do have KO + Vando touches to give to Collins. Collins barely has a higher usage rate than KO this season. Imagine Collins in the KO role with extra touches he’d be ****ing amazing.
 
sip said:
The big problem that I see is to actually maximize Collins you have to put him in the Lauri role. The reason why his numbers have dropped the last few years is that Capela took over as the role man since he is incapable of stretching the floor and that left Collins as more of a spot up shooter. Personally I would rather continue to build Lauri's confidence in being the number 1 guy than risk him taking a step back to the player has been in the past. That is by far my biggest concern. I want to do everything possible to help Lauri build that star mentality.
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That's it, basically. We already have a big who's absurdly efficient when he has room to roam the interior, set picks and receive the ball on the move. If anything, Markkanen is even more the type you can't just park in the corner. This season has proved that once and for all.

Collins is basically a bouncy roll man who can usually make wide open 3's on somewhat low volume. Insert him into our starting lineup and the only option is to play him in the middle, as a screener/roller (a very high usage/touch role in the modern NBA) with Lauri camped in the corner. I cannot fathom why we'd want to do that.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Which is obvious but we do have KO + Vando touches to give to Collins. Collins barely has a higher usage rate than KO this season. Imagine Collins in the KO role with extra touches he’d be ****ing amazing.
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KO role? Is there any evidence John Collins would play a 100% selfless brand of basketball - doing the little things every team needs, hustling his *** off, moving the ball, not caring about his touches or shots? Because that's who Olynyk is, and that's what we'd be needing, not more scoring near the basket.
 
Tremendous Upside said:
KO role? Is there any evidence John Collins would play a 100% selfless brand of basketball - doing the little things every team needs, hustling his *** off, moving the ball, not caring about his touches or shots? Because that's who Olynyk is, and that's what we'd be needing, not more scoring near the basket.
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I mean the same thing could have been said about JC coming into this season. Believe it or not players can make improvements and change as players.
 
Elizah Huge said:
If that was on the table we should absolutely do that.
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Vando and KO are better lol stop!!
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ok but we don't have Lauri touches to give out to everyone
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For the record even before the trade I liked Markkanen better
Elizah Huge said:
Which is obvious but we do have KO + Vando touches to give to Collins. Collins barely has a higher usage rate than KO this season. Imagine Collins in the KO role with extra touches he’d be ****ing amazing.
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And they both have very few, not a winner. He may be talented, but he has no clue what to do with it, and if he hasn’t learned by now he never will. He’s what you call a booby trap, and ATL is tangled in it right now.
 
We are talking about adding to our offense, but is that what we need?

If we were to move on from KO, I would rather find a good defender who is at least a solid rebounder and decent on offense (doesnt have to be great either).

If we were to move on from Vando we DEFINITELY need a stout defensive guy who must be a great rebounder. Because those two areas is where we would give away from and thats what we actually need more of imo.
 
HermanG said:
We are talking about adding to our offense, but is that what we need?

If we were to move on from KO, I would rather find a good defender who is at least a solid rebounder and decent on offense (doesnt have to be great either).

If we were to move on from Vando we DEFINITELY need a stout defensive guy who must be a great rebounder. Because those two areas is where we would give away from and thats what we actually need more of imo.
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Yeah. Our offense is most definitely not the problem. We've already showed we can outscore pretty much any team.

Our defense comes and goes, though (not that Vando is a good defender).
 
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