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Its Time to Tank

Scramantha said:
What a psychological clusterf*ck to be in. I need to let go and let god, or whatever these two guys I know in this 12-step program say. I think that's it? P

The new lottery odds just don't have the same appeal. I guess you kinda aim for a 6th worst record now? Who knows.
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If Hardy decides to continue to allow JC to shoot them out of the games, because he is making plays outside his cz they will be in 10-14 range for sure.
 
It's really funny/sad seeing people turn on Will Hardy.

Hardy is the main reason anyone developed expectations for this team. Without him we would be like 5 games below .500
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hard disagree. We were at best a .500 team. We benefitted early winning all the close games and had incredible shooting luck (opponent free throw percentage for example). Also had no injuries really and benefited from opponents missing guys like Ja, Bane, Kawhi... We also did some cute gimmicky things that worked at the beginning of the year (like aggressively trying to create turnovers) that have now been eliminated. We were always a 35-40 win team when healthy but had and made some luck.

Conley goes out and we are 0-5 with home losses to Detroit and Chicago. We are historically bad protecting the paint (not an exaggeration... we allow the most points in the paint ever) which is a good baseline for losing a **** ton of games... just like it was a great baseline for winning a bunch of games in the Rudy years. Basically, the way we are playing we have to have amazing shooting nights to win. Too many turnovers, not forcing enough turnovers, allowing a **** ton of offensive rebounds and points in the paint. We have good shooters so will stay close... we also play hard so will be competitive.

Removing Conley and one other vet and replacing minutes with Sexton/THT/NAW and Ochai/Kessler/Doke will absolutely leave us winning 30-40% of our games depending on Lauri and other players health. Won't get us bottom 5 but the 7-8 seed is possible if we make a move soon. Outside chance that OKC could pass us but it would mean they play it pretty straight.

Long term it is the right strategy. This stretch was beneficial as we saw what Lauri can do... and what having a good game managing point guard does for the group. Its time to embrace the pain of losing while letting Sexton, Kessler, THT, Ochai spread their wings.
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Conley will comeback, Jazz will find another run, and his value may finally be to the point you can get something positive back from him without taking a worse contract back
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Conley will comeback, Jazz will find another run, and his value may finally be to the point you can get something positive back from him without taking a worse contract back
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Strangely I think him being out has increased his value slightly if he can come back and show he is fine. Being like 11-6 with him and 1-5 without kinda demonstrates his value when it comes to winning. His stats aren't gonna blow anyone away.
 
After doing some research coupled with the eye test Vanderbilt seems to be our current tank commander. Dude has the worst splits and worst net ratings in lineups on the team.
 
Elizah Huge said:
After doing some research coupled with the eye test Vanderbilt seems to be our current tank commander. Dude has the worst splits and worst net ratings in lineups on the team.
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I think he's definitely a very useful player but that's probably why he's only getting 20 minutes a night even as a starter. I will say that Vando is a surprisingly better passer than I expected too.
Hardy had Beasley finish the game last night as I'm assuming he wanted to get more shooting in the lineup.
 
Scramantha said:
What a psychological clusterf*ck to be in. I need to let go and let god, or whatever these two guys I know in this 12-step program say. I think that's it? P

The new lottery odds just don't have the same appeal. I guess you kinda aim for a 6th worst record now? Who knows.
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Not sure if this post was meant to be funny but I literally laughed out loud especially the first sentence.
 
HeatCheck said:
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Hardy had Beasley finish the game last night as I'm assuming he wanted to get more shooting in the lineup.
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Its weird because shooting/scoring NEVER seems to be the problem with this team. However, defending abd rebounding ALWAYS seems to be the problem


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fishonjazz said:
Its weird because shooting/scoring NEVER seems to be the problem with this team. However, defending abd rebounding ALWAYS seems to be the problem


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Agreed. They were down in the 4th quarter so guess they were willing to sacrifice some defense to open the floor up a little bit. Clarkson shot 3 for 15 last night so another reason to have another shooter in?

Just guessing here.
 
The Jazz are an *** defense. No substitution patterns or different closing lineups will change that. They are going to get worked most nights. Their best chance to win games is through offense so that's why you have Beasley out there, guy who has hit a lot of big shots this year for the team.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's really funny/sad seeing people turn on Will Hardy.

Hardy is the main reason anyone developed expectations for this team. Without him we would be like 5 games below .500
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is kcgar your left hand or your right hand lol
Hardy would not being turned on by anyone if he was a Eunich like you Cy
 
Eddie Zero said:
is kcgar your left hand or your right hand lol
Hardy would not being turned on by anyone if he was a Eunich like you Cy
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What the hell are you talking about? If you took one second to look at my post history, you would see that Cy does not like me, as I constantly downvote him. Now days, I tend to disagree with him more often than not, especially if he is acting like his opinion is fact. Why do you think I am him? I am very confused. Are you just really insecure? Maybe 13 years old? Help me out here.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Hard disagree. We were at best a .500 team. We benefitted early winning all the close games and had incredible shooting luck (opponent free throw percentage for example). Also had no injuries really and benefited from opponents missing guys like Ja, Bane, Kawhi... We also did some cute gimmicky things that worked at the beginning of the year (like aggressively trying to create turnovers) that have now been eliminated. We were always a 35-40 win team when healthy but had and made some luck.

Conley goes out and we are 0-5 with home losses to Detroit and Chicago. We are historically bad protecting the paint (not an exaggeration... we allow the most points in the paint ever) which is a good baseline for losing a **** ton of games... just like it was a great baseline for winning a bunch of games in the Rudy years. Basically, the way we are playing we have to have amazing shooting nights to win. Too many turnovers, not forcing enough turnovers, allowing a **** ton of offensive rebounds and points in the paint. We have good shooters so will stay close... we also play hard so will be competitive.

Removing Conley and one other vet and replacing minutes with Sexton/THT/NAW and Ochai/Kessler/Doke will absolutely leave us winning 30-40% of our games depending on Lauri and other players health. Won't get us bottom 5 but the 7-8 seed is possible if we make a move soon. Outside chance that OKC could pass us but it would mean they play it pretty straight.

Long term it is the right strategy. This stretch was beneficial as we saw what Lauri can do... and what having a good game managing point guard does for the group. Its time to embrace the pain of losing while letting Sexton, Kessler, THT, Ochai spread their wings.
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That's not a Strong disagree. I'll meet you at 40% after trading away 2 good players. That's still pretty damn close to .500. You also pointed out the good luck in winning only. So...
 
Ron Mexico said:
That's not a Strong disagree. I'll meet you at 40% after trading away 2 good players. That's still pretty damn close to .500. You also pointed out the good luck in winning only. So...
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The shooting luck we had early was a big part of several wins. We have not experienced bad luck… yet.

Big difference between 35% win percentage and 50%… fully healthy with luck smoothing out we are a .500 team… lose Mike and Vando and we are a .350 team which is firmly in the tank race. If we make no trades and have no big injuries… like nothing more than 5 games for our key guys… then we win 40 games and make the play in. That’s where I am… I think dropping an additional 6-7 games or so makes a huge difference in our draft position and will be worth it long term.

Now that I’ve said that we rip off like 5 straight… book it.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The shooting luck we had early was a big part of several wins. We have not experienced bad luck… yet.

Big difference between 35% win percentage and 50%… fully healthy with luck smoothing out we are a .500 team… lose Mike and Vando and we are a .350 team which is firmly in the tank race. If we make no trades and have no big injuries… like nothing more than 5 games for our key guys… then we win 40 games and make the play in. That’s where I am… I think dropping an additional 6-7 games or so makes a huge difference in our draft position and will be worth it long term.

Now that I’ve said that we rip off like 5 straight… book it.
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Losing Vando would help us win, not lose.

Dude is terrible
 
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