Its Time to Tank

[HermanG]

Harrison Barnes was a solid player that provided a very much needed stopgap for them before Durant arrived.

Most people looked past that but I for one would say he contributed to the core of that young team that led them to eventually winning the title when Durant arrived.

Every player and pieces matters, but you cannot credit Barnes (and thus, their tanking) much for their 2015 chip or 2016 finals. It was Steph, Klay and Draymond who led them, and Barnes was in the 2nd tier with Bogut and Iguodala (arguably worst of the 3). Barnes was a starter for sure, but its not like he provided consistency or skillset they couldn't get from someone else (bench or lower pick) that year. After KD signed, Barnes impact was erased and he would have been glued to the bench anyways.

 

[The Midnight]

Every player and pieces matters, but you cannot credit Barnes (and thus, their tanking) much for their 2015 chip or 2016 finals. It was Steph, Klay and Draymond who led them, and Barnes was in the 2nd tier with Bogut and Iguodala (arguably worst of the 3). Barnes was a starter for sure, but its not like he provided consistency or skillset they couldn't get from someone else (bench or lower pick) that year. After KD signed, Barnes impact was erased and he would have been glued to the bench anyways.

Well you have your interpretation I have mine. Harrison Barnes was a solid 3 way player at the 3 for them full stop at a very cheap price. Barnes would have been a franchise player for a struggling team (i.e., the Kings) had he not been playing behind Steph, Draymond and Klay.

 

[LogGrad98]

Well you have your interpretation I have mine. Harrison Barnes was a solid 3 way player at the 3 for them full stop at a very cheap price. Barnes would have been a franchise player for a struggling team (i.e., the Kings) had he not been playing behind Steph, Draymond and Klay.

look, if I want to hear your opinion I will tell it to you

 

[fishonjazz]

They tanked solid for a couple of games that season to keep their pick, but for the most part it wasn't tanking that got the Warriors their success. I don't think they're a good example of tanking working.

They are a good example of tanking though. And it worked as it got them 2 starters on a championship team.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

The Warriors tanking did not contribute to their dynasty, is what I believe everybody's primary point is.

I think the issue is not whether it “worked”… it’s the fact that some are like “good orgs don’t tank… look at GS”. GS tanked twice.

Also it very much did contribute to their dynasty. Barnes started for like 3 years for them. Bogut was absolutely part of the tank as he was acquired for a functional player when he was out for the year. That doesn’t happen if they are doing the “honorable thing” and competing to the best of their abilities.

And a minor benefit is that it improves their second round pick by a handful of spots. That year there was a guy that projected to go late first round that they ended up selecting at 35… so they landed Draymond Green which may or may not have happened.

So it’s really tough to say the tank didn’t work or that they would have won titles without it.

 

[The Midnight]

GSW tanked so tactically well even fans of other teams are defending them.. LOL ..

Team that got a 1st round pick stolen from them no less…

#smh..

 

[Elizah Huge]

Imagine if Golden State tanked harder or got some lottery luck they could have ended up with Davis/Beal/Lillard instead of Barnes. Also, imagine if they took LaMelo or Haliburton instead of Wiseman.

 

[hgb]

GSW tanked so tactically well even fans of other teams are defending them.. LOL ..

Team that got a 1st round pick stolen from them no less…

#smh..

I'm not saying they didn't tank for Barnes (although just a few games, but enough), but I don't think their other losing seasons really count as tanking. They had a lot of injuries.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I'm not saying they didn't tank for Barnes (although just a few games, but enough), but I don't think their other losing seasons really count as tanking. They had a lot of injuries.

Trading Monta Ellis for an already injured Andrew Bogut is the most tank move ever.

 

[MTS]

I think the issue is not whether it “worked”… it’s the fact that some are like “good orgs don’t tank… look at GS”. GS tanked twice.

Also it very much did contribute to their dynasty. Barnes started for like 3 years for them. Bogut was absolutely part of the tank as he was acquired for a functional player when he was out for the year. That doesn’t happen if they are doing the “honorable thing” and competing to the best of their abilities.

And a minor benefit is that it improves their second round pick by a handful of spots. That year there was a guy that projected to go late first round that they ended up selecting at 35… so they landed Draymond Green which may or may not have happened.

So it’s really tough to say the tank didn’t work or that they would have won titles without it.

View: https://youtu.be/X6cKCVF9Mzo?t=11

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

View: https://youtu.be/X6cKCVF9Mzo?t=11

The Green part is… the rest isn’t. Bogut was crucial… Barnes was super helpful.

 

[Jaanipoeg]

The Bulls dont really need PG play though. They have good backup PG's and they have two very good playmaking wings. The Bulls making their last shot Mike Conley just doesnt make any sense. Maybe you can get just Lonzo, but you arent getting a pick for taking on the better player.

Twitter: [Poe] Lonzo Ball is no closer to returning to the court for the Chicago Bulls: ‘He still has pain’

Lot of fear on the Bulls board that the injury is bordering on career-ending. He still has two more seasons after this one on his contract making $20M/year

I don't know if the Jazz would be interested given the injury and contract, but I do think taking a flyer on an injured 25-year old with high ability is probably the best value we can hope for in return for a Conley trade. He'd be able to sit out the whole season with no pressure to hurry back. But it's not like this was a freak injury, he has averaged 50 games a season so far in his career I (though Lauri was a bit famous for injuries before getting here, but he is only 24 games into the season and may well not have bucked that trend).

Love this team, but I do think a 44-38 season where we get bounced in the play-in is the worst case scenario. And Conley has proven he is a huge factor in our success and at 35 there is just no way he fits the timeline of even a quick rebuild.