Walker Kessler Should No Longer Play Until KO is Traded

[seattlejazzfan]

I'm afraid that would be a disaster offensively. Vando may be hitting the corner three, but they're definitely not guarding him. Our spacing would be terrible and the paint would be completely clogged. There's a reason Hardy pretty much never has them on the floor at the same time.

the fact they aren't guarding him is a good thing when he's hitting 46% of his threes. when a guy is that efficient, you pray teams leave him open. it's their problem if they don't guard him. if the paint is clogged, you kick it out to a knockdown shooter.

 

[Jingled]

the fact they aren't guarding him is a good thing when he's hitting 46% of his threes. when a guy is that efficient, you pray teams leave him open. it's their problem if they don't guard him. if the paint is clogged, you kick it out to a knockdown shooter.

Not really. He's only attempting one 3 a game right now and he's not really getting guarded on any of our offensive possessions. When he's on the floor, the defense can use his defender to help on Lauri, Clarkson and others. Not to mention, the odds of him continuing to shoot 46% from 3 are extremely low.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not really. He's only attempting one 3 a game right now and he's not really getting guarded on any of our offensive possessions. When he's on the floor, the defense can use his defender to help on Lauri, Clarkson and others. Not to mention, the odds of him continuing to shoot 46% from 3 are extremely low.

I think he can be 40%+ if he sticks to only corner threes and only wide *** open. It looks real to me... he needs time to load it though... it isn't as quick as PJ Tucker's motion. So you can help off him still and get back or rotate most of the time... and he won't punish you much for bad close outs.

The issue to me is the dribble hand off stuff he isn't a threat at all. Not great as a roller either. He isn't much help at the rim as a defender. He's not quite good enough on the defensive end to make up for the deficiencies on offense. I think he's more of a 3rd big than a starter.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think he can be 40%+ if he sticks to only corner threes and only wide *** open. It looks real to me... he needs time to load it though... it isn't as quick as PJ Tucker's motion. So you can help off him still and get back or rotate most of the time... and he won't punish you much for bad close outs.

The issue to me is the dribble hand off stuff he isn't a threat at all. Not great as a roller either. He isn't much help at the rim as a defender. He's not quite good enough on the defensive end to make up for the deficiencies on offense. I think he's more of a 3rd big than a starter.

Yeah, the issue is definitely the dribbling/finishing. The fact that he can't beat anyone off the dribble one on one and finish is a huge nail in his potential.

There's also plenty of times in transition when he has the ball where most players his size/athletic ability could probably push the ball into the paint and make a foul happen or finish, he is just backing out and resetting the offense with a pass out.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, the issue is definitely the dribbling/finishing. The fact that he can't beat anyone off the dribble one on one and finish is a huge nail in his potential.

There's also plenty of times in transition when he has the ball where most players his size/athletic ability could probably push the ball into the paint and make a foul happen or finish, he is just backing out and resetting the offense with a pass out.

The thing that drives me crazy is I get the grab and go thing... but a lot of times he is running alongside a guard and should drop off to that guy in transition. He waits like 1-2 dribbles too long. Especially when its Sexton running alongside him because Collin can really push and threaten the defense in those scenarios.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The thing that drives me crazy is I get the grab and go thing... but a lot of times he is running alongside a guard and should drop off to that guy in transition. He waits like 1-2 dribbles too long. Especially when its Sexton running alongside him because Collin can really push and threaten the defense in those scenarios.

Yeah, him dribbling in transition feels like a novelty more than an actual threat. Sometimes he will make a good pass to someone running to the 3pt line on the break, but that's about it.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Not really. He's only attempting one 3 a game right now and he's not really getting guarded on any of our offensive possessions. When he's on the floor, the defense can use his defender to help on Lauri, Clarkson and others. Not to mention, the odds of him continuing to shoot 46% from 3 are extremely low.

but for now he is shooting 46%. he is hurting defenses on those kick outs. until those percentages drop, they can keep kicking out. he's only hurting if he's not hitting. as long as he's hitting it's the defense's problem if they are helping off him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If JV keeps hitting teams will eventually at least walk out to him for a closeout.

You can tell the team doesnt believe in JV as a shooter on a whole though. He made 4 damn 3's in a row and Utah could have given more looks and they chose not to.

 

[fishonjazz]

He can shoot a bit? Sir he's a ****ing flame thrower. 40% on threes and taking a ton. It is incredibly hard for guys to be effective coming off the bench in spot minutes and shoot from the perimeter like he is.

He's more Max Strus than Joe Ingles. He has some Bogey similarities. Its way to early to judge him.

He's made a few good defensive plays and seems to make solid rotations. He also is surprisingly good on pump fake straight line drives. Tried to mash on some guys and missed a couple early (some missed fouls in there imo). Beasley fills the high volume three point shooter role right now. Moving Vando or KO would open up some minutes for Simone... for instance if Vando was moved and Kessler became the starter... I could see Simone being a decent option to slide into a 20 minute a night starter role.

Whatever simone is, say goodbye to him. Rudy G is back tonight


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[fishonjazz]

I'm afraid that would be a disaster offensively. Vando may be hitting the corner three, but they're definitely not guarding him. Our spacing would be terrible and the paint would be completely clogged. There's a reason Hardy pretty much never has them on the floor at the same time.

If they aren’t guarding him then keep feeding him. What was he last game, 4-4 from three?


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[Tremendous Upside]

but for now he is shooting 46%. he is hurting defenses on those kick outs. until those percentages drop, they can keep kicking out. he's only hurting if he's not hitting. as long as he's hitting it's the defense's problem if they are helping off him.

Teams are not stupid. They've done the math. They can live with Vando making one wide open 3pt shot per game if it means they can cheat off him all the time to slow down the real offensive weapons of this team. Hell, they would probably live with two of those perimeter makes. Vando does nothing else.

The best gift we could give to opposing teams would be to start forcing more touches and shots to Vanderbilt. He's left open for a good reason.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Whatever simone is, say goodbye to him. Rudy G is back tonight


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sadface

 

[sip]

The thing that drives me crazy is I get the grab and go thing... but a lot of times he is running alongside a guard and should drop off to that guy in transition. He waits like 1-2 dribbles too long. Especially when its Sexton running alongside him because Collin can really push and threaten the defense in those scenarios.

You guys are acting like he is a finished product which he is far from. All these thing that he is trying this year are his first opportunity in years to expand his game. Right now there is nothing to lose when it comes to him trying new things and seeing if he can expand his game. If he fails then it lets him know his limitations and the strengths he needs to focus on going forward. If he shows progress then suddenly we have a far more complete basketball player moving forward. Either way it is a win in the long run in my opinion.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You guys are acting like he is a finished product which he is far from. All these thing that he is trying this year are his first opportunity in years to expand his game. Right now there is nothing to lose when it comes to him trying new things and seeing if he can expand his game. If he fails then it lets him know his limitations and the strengths he needs to focus on going forward. If he shows progress then suddenly we have a far more complete basketball player moving forward. Either way it is a win in the long run in my opinion.

For some players it is less about expanding their game and more about improving the strengths of their game. I think he's an average on ball defender, not helping much at the rim, good disruptor though. I would be more bullish on him if he improved those parts of his game. Maybe he can speed up his release and keep his shooting level high.

I think he's a fine 3rd big... I don't see the enormous potential in him that some seem to see. I wouldn't trade him just for ***** and giggles. I would look to cash in on his current value as a bargain role player... if that offer isn't there... then keep him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Simone will be 27 in a few days. He is what he is. I think he's headed back to Europe once his deal is up. He can probably make more money there and it doesn't make sense for him to spend his basketball prime playing 9mpg in the NBA.

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[Jingled]

Start Kessler with Olynyk and Markkanen. Bring Vando off the bench. It's time.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Start Kessler with Olynyk and Markkanen. Bring Vando off the bench. It's time.

The negative about that is you are going to force Lauri to do a ton of work on defense guarding wings.

 

[str8line]

Whatever simone is, say goodbye to him. Rudy G is back tonight


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Not so fast.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Now that Simone has had a big time game it will be interesting to see what happens when Lauri plays. Think Hardy will probably continue to try and spread minutes between Gay and Simone.

 

[Jingled]

The negative about that is you are going to force Lauri to do a ton of work on defense guarding wings.

He's actually done a decent job guarding wings this season. I see your point though, asking him to do it more often might wear him down and negatively impact his offense. Just trying to figure out a way to get Kessler in the starting lineup, and I really don't think him and Vando can be on the floor together.