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Its Time to Tank

The best argument for not tanking and actually adding talent is that the West is wide open and you could maybe luck your way into the Conference Finals before getting beat.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Having one good half-season does not make you borderline top 20. I would say Lauri has top 30 potential, and right now he's probably like borderline top 35.
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Fair enough. His potential is borderline top 20 would have been a better way to phrase it. Some analysts just love him and call him a definite all star... which is a testament to how far he has come this year. Guys in ESPN especially seem to like him.
 
HermanG said:
Why do we have to land AS talent in the draft? Why cant we use the assets we got to get one?

We have a borderline top 20 guy whose ceiling we dont know yet. What if we find a guy next to him by using our assets?

Then few targeted pucks and trades to round out the roster and boom, we might be a real competitor in a two years.

If we dump talent and record, we wont be able to trade for those guys.. or sign them drom FA. They refuse to come.
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Because trading for those guys costs 3-4 picks... spending those picks on a player in a trade means we lower the ceiling on this rebuild. Pairing Lauri, who is a borderline all-star, with another all star is the key to making a fast rebuild. We don't have a pick next year, so you kinda need to nab the guy now while Lauri is ready to go.

Like teams don't sell off young players with star potential for a few picks. You really need to draft those guys. Those picks we got in the Rudy/Don trades are nice but likely not going to help build something around Lauri.

In a year or two you likely need to replace Mike and KO as they age out... you can use picks to get starter level guys in their tier... but the high level talent almost certainly will come through the draft. The NBA is so talented now you have to hit on multiple fronts, FA, trade, and the draft... the higher you draft the better your chances are at landing high level talent.
 
I think people especially love Lauri's story. Still, his start has been incredible but 26 games is not a lot to go off of to start putting someone in the upper echelons.

I will say that Lauri is the absolute perfect piece that championship teams look for. Obviously he has a lot to prove to be compared, but he has that Klay typeset where he is an elite shot finisher that can exist within an offense without demanding high usage and isolation, while still being a strong defender. I still think we need a top tier player, likely from the draft in the 2 seasons, to really compete, but I think Lauri would be a strong Middleton/Klay archetype on an elite team
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The best argument for not tanking and actually adding talent is that the West is wide open and you could maybe luck your way into the Conference Finals before getting beat.
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I don't think that is the best argument. A one-year run would be fun but hollow. I think the non-tank argument rests on the fact that some team may sell off something that helps us now and in the future for semi-cheap. Kuzma, Collins, or something like that comes cheap. Basically being opportunistic.
 
Jaanipoeg said:
I think people especially love Lauri's story. Still, his start has been incredible but 26 games is not a lot to go off of to start putting someone in the upper echelons.

I will say that Lauri is the absolute perfect piece that championship teams look for. Obviously he has a lot to prove to be compared, but he has that Klay typeset where he is an elite shot finisher that can exist within an offense without demanding high usage and isolation, while still being a strong defender. I still think we need a top tier player, likely from the draft in the 2 seasons, to really compete, but I think Lauri would be a strong Middleton/Klay archetype on an elite team
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I think Lauri could absolutely be a #2 option on a championship team.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think that is the best argument. A one-year run would be fun but hollow. I think the non-tank argument rests on the fact that some team may sell off something that helps us now and in the future for semi-cheap. Kuzma, Collins, or something like that comes cheap. Basically being opportunistic.
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I mean, if you got Derozan it wouldn't just be a 1 year run. It'd be a longer-term success move than Kuzma, a guy you might have to max out to keep out of LA (I wouldnt want to give Kuzma the max personally)
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I don't think that is the best argument. A one-year run would be fun but hollow. I think the non-tank argument rests on the fact that some team may sell off something that helps us now and in the future for semi-cheap. Kuzma, Collins, or something like that comes cheap. Basically being opportunistic.
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I know that GMs and execs are way smarter and informed than me (besides Billy King), but a Collins trade seems so perfect. A seemingly misused player on a one-dimensional team (that is in cap hell), that is only 25, locked up for a couple years (with some cap jumps coming in 23-24 and beyond), who is also a solid defending stretch-4.

****, I have no clue how much they value him at this point, but if we could get him for 2 of Clarkson, Olynyk, and Beasley (and maybe some seconds), I would do it in a heartbeat.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I mean, if you got Derozan it wouldn't just be a 1 year run. It'd be a longer-term success move than Kuzma, a guy you might have to max out to keep out of LA (I wouldnt want to give Kuzma the max personally)
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LA doesn't have max space but I get it. I am not advocating for that move... simply listing it. I would be a little iffy on giving Kuzma 25M/year plus.

About the only win-now moves I'd do would be like if OG Anunoby suddenly is available for a couple picks (extreme wishful thinking I know). Kind of an opportunistic move like Cleveland did with Jarret Allen a couple years ago. There is a good young player in a bigger trade and you swoop in and provide a pick or two and make the deal work. I listed OG and I don't think he's available... I don't see the guy out there yet... so it would likely be something somewhat out of left field.
 
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