Time to shake it up!

[kabenac]

Really, untouchable? Seems like after two years out and after ACL surgery his stock may have dropped some. That’s a shame if that’s the case though cause the guy plays hard, has the tools and is an absolute pillar of the community. In these polarized times I wish more people shared his worldview. I mean after the Mitchell debacle we want to exercise caution or nobody will want to come here.

Looking at salaries I’d say the only two guys that would fit into a Beasley deal straight up are Markelle Fultz and Wendell Carter Jr. Fultz has been balling his *** off lately. Both decent players at positions of need - yeah I’d do either of those deals.

I figure they have the attitude of wanting to ride it out since the injury and rehab has been a super long road.

Jonathan Isaac is untouchable in trade talks right now

Jonathan Isaac should be untouchable in Orlando Magic trade chatter right now, but not for the reasons that you might expect him to be.

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Fultz is playing out of his mind. He can shoot once again! I don't think he's hit his ceiling, either. I expect him to get more and more confident and his athleticism will back him up. He'll be a good 2nd/3rd scorer for them.

I think they'd rather trade Suggs than Fultz or Carter. I don't know if the Magic have any garbage contracts they want to add to Suggs to even the money out; that might be an option. I really like the fact Suggs can play defense but he does get a lot of minutes which unfortunately ups his value.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

Naw, let’s just do nothing, the L’s are finally coming. Keep the lineup and draft picks intact, and add a star through the draft and then spend draft capital on whatever disgruntled star there is, I outbidding the Knicks. Now that would be sweet!!!

Oh great TIMK, you had to pull the old voice of reason card didn’t you? Like how you got my new favorite Jazz player (NAW) in the convo though.

 

[HeatCheck]

Agreed it would take multiple FRP's for Toronto to even consider dealing OG. He's the best defensive wing in the entire league.
The rumor, likely doesn't happen, is the Pels might even consider dealing their fantastic young rookie Dyson Daniels in package for OG. As much as I like Anuoby he's not a ceiling raiser type. He's the type you pursue after you already have Zion/Ingram on your roster.

Highly doubt Ainge would consider sending out multiple picks in any deal at this point anyway.

Let's be honest this team probably needs 3 new starters before they are a legitimate contender.

Before the season Ainge admitted he loves the '24 draft. In his own words he said it is better than the '23 draft. The Jazz need to be a bottom 10 team next season to keep that '24 pick.
Maybe I'm reading too much into it. Possibly he makes a few deals to bring in at least one '24 FRP. We will see.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I figure they have the attitude of wanting to ride it out since the injury and rehab has been a super long road.

Jonathan Isaac is untouchable in trade talks right now

Jonathan Isaac should be untouchable in Orlando Magic trade chatter right now, but not for the reasons that you might expect him to be.

orlandomagicdaily.com

Fultz is playing out of his mind. He can shoot once again! I don't think he's hit his ceiling, either. I expect him to get more and more confident and his athleticism will back him up. He'll be a good 2nd/3rd scorer for them.

I think they'd rather trade Suggs than Fultz or Carter. I don't know if the Magic have any garbage contracts they want to add to Suggs to even the money out; that might be an option. I really like the fact Suggs can play defense but he does get a lot of minutes which unfortunately ups his value.

Man that’s crazy that they would consider him untouchable after that injury and all that time out - must be a character, locker room thing IMO cause they also have Carter and Bol Bol.

Looks like the only two guys they have that could separately make that Suggs for Beasley trade work are Banchero and Bamba. That roster is stacked head to toe imo.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Man that’s crazy that they would consider him untouchable after that injury and all that time out - must be a character, locker room thing IMO cause they also have Carter and Bol Bol.

Looks like the only two guys they have that could separately make that Suggs for Beasley trade work are Banchero and Bamba. That roster is stacked head to toe imo.

Its likely cuz the offers would be garbage at this point. If he shows he can still play for 15-20 games there may not be a player that raises his trade value more than Isaac. Since they are tanking (even though they have been good lately) they have no pressure and can wait.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

The next 5 games are a solid test to see where we are. I'd say there are some easy wins there but many on the road where we aren't as good... going 2-3 or 1-4 would signal maybe we should steer towards a tank if the opportunity arises.

I think that honestly is the key... what opportunities arise? We are in a decent position to take advantage of something good that just pops up one way or another. We may end up going all the way down the road and ending up with a mid record and mid picks though because nothing acceptable came to fruition.

I also wonder what would happen if some team really came hard at us for Lauri. Talking like Phoenix/Toronto/Miami putting up like 3-4 unprotected picks. I'm not sure we are worried about losing our pick next year... but we are in a bit of dangerous territory. Say we don't hit a homerun with our late lotto pick this year (either from Minny or our own pick) and are just good enough that the pick we owe to OKC conveys and we have no 2024 picks. In that situation its hard for me to see what we have put around Lauri and Walker that helps us be more than a mid team... it will be hard to decide to tear down from there so you are staring at 3-4 year of being a mid team and still hoping to nail the picks we have in 2025 to break the cycle.

If we are able to hit on a pick this year it changes things pretty substantially... but a lot rides on the 2023 draft and there is only one pick we can truly control (in a limited fashion). The time to tank hard has likely slipped away. If a deal came up suddenly for our vets maybe we could keep Lauri and finesse our way to like the 9/10th spot... if the Minny pick doesn't land 10-14 maybe you can add a Cleveland pick to it to move into the 9-12 range and have two good bites at the apple... IDK but a lot rests on this year's draft.

Yeah as you know, I’m not really a tank guy but I hate the idea of making the playoffs only to flame out miserably in the first round as well. Which is why I think we have to make a move now to correct some roster flaws (mostly defensive).

Beyond that as long as we beat the 24.5 over under on the season and hit on a pick, I guess I’m good.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I think the deals are coming in January tbh. We are not even seeing the effort anymore from some of these guys.

Any trades made need to keep the future in mind. Draft picks and young players/prospects should be the target.

Not sure if it’s really effort or just old scar tissue coming to the surface. As much as I hate to say it, I’m not sure we’ve found the lead alpha dog that can fill Mitchell’s shoes as of yet.

 

[HermanG]

I think if we ever dream of having Sexton run point I think we gotta have one of them 6"5ish combo guards next to him.

I havent watched Suggs much so dont know about his defense, but his passing and playmaking seems legit nice.

I also like the Nembhard kid from Pacers, albeit he is more of a raw prospect and they love him as well so likely not a trade candidate..

 

[oneye]

Looking at salaries, stats and age, I’m not sure we can get off Conley or Gay without draft capital enhancers. May be more cost effective just to keep them for now.

I’d be surprised if you can’t move Conley for a return.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I’d be surprised if you can’t move Conley for a return.

I do love that kind of optimism. And hey, I love the guy, who doesn’t, but so tired of seeing him getting posted up, then the load management stuff. Big contract!

 

[KqWIN]

Doesn’t surprise me that people are already getting bored of this roster. We’re already discussing trading anyone good so we can get bad. I don’t even think that’s necessarily wrong from a team building perspective….but damn it is really depressing that trading Lauri is even a thought.

Realistically, trading Lauri/JC is not an option and we’ll be working from a late lottery position for the foreseeable future. This won’t be a bottom feeder no matter how much people on this forum want it to be.

The next few years will be hoping and praying on finding the next Mitchell/Gobert in the draft, having extreme lotto luck and hitting on the lotto luck, or finding another Lauri in a trade. If we can do that and have enough left over for a star trade maybe we’re a contender. But if we can’t hit on that improbable outcome we’ll just be mediocre for a very long time.

 

[Isaiah 1:13]

I think if we ever dream of having Sexton run point I think we gotta have one of them 6"5ish combo guards next to him.

I havent watched Suggs much so dont know about his defense, but his passing and playmaking seems legit nice.

I also like the Nembhard kid from Pacers, albeit he is more of a raw prospect and they love him as well so likely not a trade candidate..

Agreed! Definitely on your wavelength regarding Sexton.