Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

What a mess. I think Hawks players could be undervalued at the moment. Look at how Huerter is thriving in Sacramento.

He will likely be better… that better may not be better enough to match his contract.

My big concern is the future is Lauri and Walker… if Collins is the roll man what is Walker doing? If Walker is the roll man what is Collins doing? We’d end up falling into the same trap because he’s a tweener… not quite a good enough shooter… not quite a good enough rim protector. I think there is a reason he lost that “role” because they needed Capela for rebounding and defense… and that is his best use.

I think Indiana is the best fit but they may not be interested enough.

JC is interesting but I’m personally more interested on what else we would get and I think Ainge holds the line cuz unless they find a sucker (and they been looking for a while) they are stick and the bull comes due next year.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well, he's only 5'8" and I'm not certain he can hit the 3 ball, plus he's dead, so I'm not sure he's a stretch option. But yes, no points awarded because he is, in fact, dead, and none of those points would count.

He’d be better than Rudy Gay though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

From Shams latest article:

Other part from that article is Clips shopping John Wall... good luck. I get why they went for the buy low option there but not shocked how that is going to end up not working. My guess is the deal would center around Wall and Kennard for Conley and the sticking points are - what other compensation are we getting? what team will give us an expiring for Wall?

Wall could be waived but has another year on his deal and won't take a buyout. Wall and Gay is a lot of dead cap but I suppose we could use them as expirings next year... I'd want to send both of them home though.

 

[Elizah Huge]

He will likely be better… that better may not be better enough to match his contract.

My big concern is the future is Lauri and Walker… if Collins is the roll man what is Walker doing? If Walker is the roll man what is Collins doing? We’d end up falling into the same trap because he’s a tweener… not quite a good enough shooter… not quite a good enough rim protector. I think there is a reason he lost that “role” because they needed Capela for rebounding and defense… and that is his best use.

I think Indiana is the best fit but they may not be interested enough.

JC is interesting but I’m personally more interested on what else we would get and I think Ainge holds the line cuz unless they find a sucker (and they been looking for a while) they are stick and the bull comes due next year.

He’s a better shooter than you’re giving him credit for. He’s slumping hard this year but for his career before that he’s a 37.6% 3PT shooter. I think Lauri is the reason we could make it work and it be a very good lineup. If we are strictly worried about who is the roll man and what is the other one doing that is a little silly. Collins can be a spot up shooter when Kessler is the roll man. Kessler can be in the short corner when Collins is the roll man.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

He will likely be better… that better may not be better enough to match his contract.

My big concern is the future is Lauri and Walker… if Collins is the roll man what is Walker doing? If Walker is the roll man what is Collins doing? We’d end up falling into the same trap because he’s a tweener… not quite a good enough shooter… not quite a good enough rim protector. I think there is a reason he lost that “role” because they needed Capela for rebounding and defense… and that is his best use.

I think Indiana is the best fit but they may not be interested enough.

JC is interesting but I’m personally more interested on what else we would get and I think Ainge holds the line cuz unless they find a sucker (and they been looking for a while) they are stick and the bull comes due next year.

the nice thing about collins is he can hit the three. so he can be the roll man at times and a floor spacer at times.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Other part from that article is Clips shopping John Wall... good luck. I get why they went for the buy low option there but not shocked how that is going to end up not working. My guess is the deal would center around Wall and Kennard for Conley and the sticking points are - what other compensation are we getting? what team will give us an expiring for Wall?

Wall could be waived but has another year on his deal and won't take a buyout. Wall and Gay is a lot of dead cap but I suppose we could use them as expirings next year... I'd want to send both of them home though.

I liked the idea of a pick swap of their pick this year with our Brooklyn/Philadelphia pick. Maybe we just get their first this year outright… not sure. I’m down with getting Kennard though.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He’s a better shooter than you’re giving him credit for. He’s slumping hard this year but for his career before that he’s a 37.6% 3PT shooter. I think Lauri is the reason we could make it work and it be a very good lineup. If we are strictly worried about who is the roll man and what is the other one doing that is a little silly. Collins can be a spot up shooter when Kessler is the roll man. Kessler can be in the short corner when Collins is the roll man.

I really don't think its silly to worry about. Its one of the main reasons he is having issues currently. His shooting should tick up but if he is mostly a spot up guy for half the time he plays I am not sure you are getting the dynamic John Collins you want. Also I think you can get a better 3 and D option without doing all the gymnastics to make it work.

I get why he is a buy low and that his value could increase, but I need some compensation cuz the risk is that we get the same production out of John that the Hawks have gotten the last two years. He's had a hard time staying healthy too... its one of those deals where the more I look at it the more I'd prefer a more simple route and why I can see that DA is insisting on draft comp.

 

[Eddie Zero]

Huh… how would a guy be in the league multiple years and still be 19?

You know what you can turn a first round pick into? A raw project you can develop… don’t overthink things.

You are correct that 19 age seemed off to me , thanks trade machine smh. hes 22. Irrelevant to my point about him for this roster though.
Much rather have him than a pick.
as far as Dieng he was a late lottery pick at a position we could justify developing and better than any pick we get from the Nets in 4 years or adding a 4th 1st round pick in this draft which Danny would never want.
I still think we are going to pick 2 players from this draft not 3 unless one is stashed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

the nice thing about collins is he can hit the three. so he can be the roll man at times and a floor spacer at times.

He's only an okay shooter... he will be better than he is this year but he hits an okay percentage on a low volume... which suggests he shoots when he is wide *** open.

 

[Eddie Zero]

He's only an okay shooter... he will be better than he is this year but he hits an okay percentage on a low volume... which suggests he shoots when he is wide *** open.

he is not just ok he is flat out terrible from 3 this season less than 25%
That may not be a long term thing, but your concerns about role on this team are more concerning for me.
I think his salary and attitude about usage negatively impact the current best forward and current 5 so imo no matter how
good he once was, or if he could return to it by getting out from under the watchful eyes in ATL that busted him.
I don't want a player like that messing up the roster. I doubt Danny intends to keep him or even wants him here no matter
how much smoke they shovelling

 

[KqWIN]

He’s a better shooter than you’re giving him credit for. He’s slumping hard this year but for his career before that he’s a 37.6% 3PT shooter. I think Lauri is the reason we could make it work and it be a very good lineup. If we are strictly worried about who is the roll man and what is the other one doing that is a little silly. Collins can be a spot up shooter when Kessler is the roll man. Kessler can be in the short corner when Collins is the roll man.

He hasn't even been that bad with Capela. Even with Capela he's remained efficient, but his opportunities have gone down. Over time, they're turning him into Royce O'Neale and that's what's killing him. I don't think he needs to be involved in every PnR to be productive or happy. I think he just needs to be involved in more actions and spend less time standing around. The Hawks run an incredibly static offense where all they do is spread it out and run PnR. It's not nearly as dynamic as the Jazz offense.

I like Kessler, I don't think he should be the reason we don't take a chance on Collins. The Jazz need to accumulate talent and Collins has talent. From what I'm reading, it seems like we'd also be getting a paid a pick to take the chance so I'm all for it.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I really don't think its silly to worry about. Its one of the main reasons he is having issues currently. His shooting should tick up but if he is mostly a spot up guy for half the time he plays I am not sure you are getting the dynamic John Collins you want. Also I think you can get a better 3 and D option without doing all the gymnastics to make it work.

I get why he is a buy low and that his value could increase, but I need some compensation cuz the risk is that we get the same production out of John that the Hawks have gotten the last two years. He's had a hard time staying healthy too... its one of those deals where the more I look at it the more I'd prefer a more simple route and why I can see that DA is insisting on draft comp.

Sounds like Ainge wants some extra compensation too which is obviously a major plus. I’m just saying if it came down to it I would do Beasley plus Vando or KO straight across. A pick swap or maybe the Kings pick on top would be amazing.