Which direction do you want the team to go the rest of the season?

[Elizah Huge]

Again, you are trying to make this so black/white.

So me saying we will miss KO means the Jazz have to play like ****? When did I say the Jazz can't possibly survive without KO? Honestly get bent.

You literally said we haven’t been fine without KO. That is not true at all but whatever floats your boat.

 

[HermanG]

If Raptors blow it up in the offseason and we want OG... would they rather take 3 FRP from say Memphis or two FRPs from us, one of them being a Minny pick.

Just asking. We could trade for 6 OGs or something? Or maybe 3 Donovans?

Those Minny picks are sweet.

The fact that some of you think the only way to finish this roster and become competitive is to draft well for next 3-4 years or so is mind boggling.

 

[Elizah Huge]

If Raptors blow it up in the offseason and we want OG... would they rather take 3 FRP from say Memphis or two FRPs from us, one of them being a Minny pick.

Just asking. We could trade for 6 OGs or something? Or maybe 3 Donovans?

Those Minny picks are sweet.

The fact that some of you think the only way to finish this roster and become competitive is to draft well for next 3-4 years or so is mind boggling.

Toronto needs to move OG at the deadline of this year otherwise he turns into a risky one year rental. He’s a risky 1.5 year rental as it is right now.

 

[HermanG]

Toronto needs to move OG at the deadline of this year otherwise he turns into a risky one year rental. He’s a risky 1.5 year rental as it is right now.

Well that was just an example. Not a trade proposal. Dont even know if Raptors are the most likely team to blow it up.

Could be Chicago, or Washington.. or whoever.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He should probably start instead of Beasley.

I don't know if people have noticed how bad a defender he is. I don't really care who starts that much as long as Mike, JC, Lauri, Walker are out there. KO feels like a square peg but its worked... Malik I think is fine there but I just think you need to see what a 3 and D option looks like in that spot... just want to see how well it works with like NAW or Ochai to help make the next move.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Toronto needs to move OG at the deadline of this year otherwise he turns into a risky one year rental. He’s a risky 1.5 year rental as it is right now.

My hot take is that OG is closer to a basic 3 and D guy and has gotten overrated. I think you can draft a guy that fills that role like Mikal Bridges (who is better imo) or Trey Murphy and its a better use of assets.

I get why he has trade value but he's definitely not worth the Don package and I don't even think he's worth the Dejounte Murray package. Feels like the Kings will get stupid here and go Murray and a couple unprotected picks for OG.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I don't know if people have noticed how bad a defender he is. I don't really care who starts that much as long as Mike, JC, Lauri, Walker are out there. KO feels like a square peg but its worked... Malik I think is fine there but I just think you need to see what a 3 and D option looks like in that spot... just want to see how well it works with like NAW or Ochai to help make the next move.

KO was fine to start the season when he was on fire from the perimeter and the refs apparently didn't remember that they were supposed to have a secret vendetta against him.

Lately, though, he's been one of the worst disappointments on the team. His constant fouling and gimmicky defense have really hurt us and he's seemingly lost all confidence on offense.

Always liked Olynyk but I'm definitely ready to move on from him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Well that was just an example. Not a trade proposal. Dont even know if Raptors are the most likely team to blow it up.

Could be Chicago, or Washington.. or whoever.

I think Toronto is definitely the most likely to at least do a remodel. I would be shocked if they don't move Trent Jr. and I'd say there is a more than 50% chance OG or FVV move.

 

[bopahull]

Being ahead of schedule is not always a good thing when building for the future. It may force us to miss out on the most important acquisition phase and completely cap our upside. Also there is no guarantee that Minny pick is in the lottery at this point.

There are no guarantees you won't be hit by a bus the next time you cross the street, but we can always hope that you don't. The likelihood that we get THE lottery pick we would all like is probably less than getting hit by the bus. I think we should try and win as much as possible and trust our GM to continue fleecing other teams out of assets.

 

[sip]

I want to compete against the best. Thank god we have an mvp all first team nba caliber number 1 option on the roster that we just need to build around to get to that level. And we have the assets and financial flexibility to build a great team around Lauri, our superstar.

The question once again though is can we build a team to compete with the Pelicans, Griz and Thunder. They also have 1st team all nba caliber players in SGA, Zion and Ja. The pels and griz have established 2nd and 3rd stars as well with Ingram and CJ for the pels and JJ and Bane for the griz. The thunder don't have that yet but Giddy is right there and Chet may be that 3rd guy but I really love Jalen Williams. Then you start looking at the role players the pelicans and griz have and you can't help but get jealous

Pelicans-
Herb Jones
Trey Murphy
Jonas
Dyson Daniels
Larry Nance
Naji Marshall
Jose Alvarado
Jaxon Hayes

Griz-
Adams
Tyus Jones
Dillon Brooks
Aldama
Konchar
Zaire Williams
Brandon Clarke
David Roddy
Laravia

The depth on those 2 teams is crazy and almost every player is under 30. Over the next few years salary decisions will have to be made for the griz with Brooks being a free agent this offseason and Tyus Jones the next but they have the depth to deal with that. The thunder don't have that established depth yet but they have the hardest piece to find which is a superstar and Giddey looks like a pretty good number 2. They do have some guys that project as elite role players in Dort and Jalen Williams as well as a few other solid role players in Poku and Kenrich Williams and some really talented youngsters in Dieng and Tre Mann. This offseason I would expect the thunder to start putting their capspace to working adding some quality depth.

These teams are also set up from good to great when it comes to future picks

Griz- They own all of their own future picks and the warriors pick starting in 2024 with limited protections.

Pelicans- Own all of their own future picks.
2023- swap right with the lakers
2024- swap right with bucks, own lakers 1st but can defer to 2025 if they want
2025- Get bucks pick if in top 4, lakers pick if they choose to defer pick from prior year
2026- swap right with bucks
2027- bucks 1st unprotected

Thunder- Own all of their future picks
2023- swap right with clippers
2024- Rockets pick if in 5-30 range, Jazz pick 11-30 range, clippers 1st unprotected
2025- They have a ton of crazy swap rights with multiple teams, Jazz pick 11-30 if no surrendered the year before, Heat pick 15-30, Sixers pick 7-30
2026- Clipper pick unprotected, Rockets pick 5-30, Utah 9-30 if not already settled, Miami unprotected if no already settled, Philly pick 5-30 if not already settled
2027- Philly pick 5-30 if not already settled, Nugs pick 6-30
2028- Nugs pick 6-30 if not already settled
2029- Nugs pick 6-30 if not already settled

If I'm Ainge I am trying to figure how to compete with these 3 teams moving forward and it is not easy. Even this year we talk about getting a lottery pick but the thunder and pelicans may end up with a better lottery pick than us from the clippers and lakers.

 

[sip]

I think so. We have a staggering amount of assets. A couple are bound to hit. Then you have trades and free agency ran by possibly the best GM in the league. We good bro.

We don't have a staggering amount of assets compared to those teams.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

The question once again though is can we build a team to compete with the Pelicans, Griz and Thunder. They also have 1st team all nba caliber players in SGA, Zion and Ja. The pels and griz have established 2nd and 3rd stars as well with Ingram and CJ for the pels and JJ and Bane for the griz. The thunder don't have that yet but Giddy is right there and Chet may be that 3rd guy but I really love Jalen Williams. Then you start looking at the role players the pelicans and griz have and you can't help but get jealous

Pelicans-
Herb Jones
Trey Murphy
Jonas
Dyson Daniels
Larry Nance
Naji Marshall
Jose Alvarado
Jaxon Hayes

Griz-
Adams
Tyus Jones
Dillon Brooks
Aldama
Konchar
Zaire Williams
Brandon Clarke
David Roddy
Laravia

The depth on those 2 teams is crazy and almost every player is under 30. Over the next few years salary decisions will have to be made for the griz with Brooks being a free agent this offseason and Tyus Jones the next but they have the depth to deal with that. The thunder don't have that established depth yet but they have the hardest piece to find which is a superstar and Giddey looks like a pretty good number 2. They do have some guys that project as elite role players in Dort and Jalen Williams as well as a few other solid role players in Poku and Kenrich Williams and some really talented youngsters in Dieng and Tre Mann. This offseason I would expect the thunder to start putting their capspace to working adding some quality depth.

These teams are also set up from good to great when it comes to future picks

Griz- They own all of their own future picks and the warriors pick starting in 2024 with limited protections.

Pelicans- Own all of their own future picks.
2023- swap right with the lakers
2024- swap right with bucks, own lakers 1st but can defer to 2025 if they want
2025- Get bucks pick if in top 4, lakers pick if they choose to defer pick from prior year
2026- swap right with bucks
2027- bucks 1st unprotected

Thunder- Own all of their future picks
2023- swap right with clippers
2024- Rockets pick if in 5-30 range, Jazz pick 11-30 range, clippers 1st unprotected
2025- They have a ton of crazy swap rights with multiple teams, Jazz pick 11-30 if no surrendered the year before, Heat pick 15-30, Sixers pick 7-30
2026- Clipper pick unprotected, Rockets pick 5-30, Utah 9-30 if not already settled, Miami unprotected if no already settled, Philly pick 5-30 if not already settled
2027- Philly pick 5-30 if not already settled, Nugs pick 6-30
2028- Nugs pick 6-30 if not already settled
2029- Nugs pick 6-30 if not already settled

If I'm Ainge I am trying to figure how to compete with these 3 teams moving forward and it is not easy. Even this year we talk about getting a lottery pick but the thunder and pelicans may end up with a better lottery pick than us from the clippers and lakers.

Your OKC love affair is absolutely mystifying. They're 22-23. Excuse me if I don't bow down to them yet.

Also, SGA is not a superstar and Giddey is not close to being a 2nd banana for a contender.

 

[sip]

Being ahead of schedule with Mitchell is one of the biggest reasons are team stalled out so quickly. If we had a year or two of missing the playoffs with MItchell, we'd probably be much better set up.

I think that is 100% true. It would have given us the ability to build with players with a similar career timeline to Mitchell instead of going all in right away with the Conley trade.

 

[sip]

Your OKC love affair is absolutely mystifying. The're 22-23. Excuse me if I don't bow down to them yet.

Also, SGA is not a superstar and Giddey is not close to being a 2nd banana for a contender.

You are blind if you don't think SGA is a superstar and the thunder aren't a problem going forward. They are the 2nd youngest team in the league and blowing away expectations. Also Giddey is a beast and is only 20.

 

[sip]

Bruh... really... you seen Ty Haliburton or SGA... What about Desmond Bane, Walker Kessler, Franz Wagner, Tyrese Maxey, Tyler Herro... also guys like Trey Murphy and Herb Jones would like a word.

It can happen... it isn't likely but its not some extreme outlier... with as many picks as we have and the ability we will have to move up in drafts we should be able to get the job done.

Some people act like a rookie takes years to contribute. Most of the time these rookie are contributing immediately and within a couple years are having a massive impact.

 

[fishonjazz]

Again, you are trying to make this so black/white.

So me saying we will miss KO means the Jazz have to play like ****? When did I say the Jazz can't possibly survive without KO? Honestly get bent.

You said we will miss him and we haven't....... Well no one except you has anyway. No biggie. We are all wrong sometimes.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't know if people have noticed how bad a defender he is. I don't really care who starts that much as long as Mike, JC, Lauri, Walker are out there. KO feels like a square peg but its worked... Malik I think is fine there but I just think you need to see what a 3 and D option looks like in that spot... just want to see how well it works with like NAW or Ochai to help make the next move.

I would love to see a starting lineup of Conley, JC, Ochai, Markennan, and Kessler. Probably my favorite lineup right now. Ochai would probably foul out every game though.

 

[fishonjazz]

The question once again though is can we build a team to compete with the Pelicans, Griz and Thunder. They also have 1st team all nba caliber players in SGA, Zion and Ja. The pels and griz have established 2nd and 3rd stars as well with Ingram and CJ for the pels and JJ and Bane for the griz. The thunder don't have that yet but Giddy is right there and Chet may be that 3rd guy but I really love Jalen Williams. Then you start looking at the role players the pelicans and griz have and you can't help but get jealous

Pelicans-
Herb Jones
Trey Murphy
Jonas
Dyson Daniels
Larry Nance
Naji Marshall
Jose Alvarado
Jaxon Hayes

Griz-
Adams
Tyus Jones
Dillon Brooks
Aldama
Konchar
Zaire Williams
Brandon Clarke
David Roddy
Laravia

The depth on those 2 teams is crazy and almost every player is under 30. Over the next few years salary decisions will have to be made for the griz with Brooks being a free agent this offseason and Tyus Jones the next but they have the depth to deal with that. The thunder don't have that established depth yet but they have the hardest piece to find which is a superstar and Giddey looks like a pretty good number 2. They do have some guys that project as elite role players in Dort and Jalen Williams as well as a few other solid role players in Poku and Kenrich Williams and some really talented youngsters in Dieng and Tre Mann. This offseason I would expect the thunder to start putting their capspace to working adding some quality depth.

These teams are also set up from good to great when it comes to future picks

Griz- They own all of their own future picks and the warriors pick starting in 2024 with limited protections.

Pelicans- Own all of their own future picks.
2023- swap right with the lakers
2024- swap right with bucks, own lakers 1st but can defer to 2025 if they want
2025- Get bucks pick if in top 4, lakers pick if they choose to defer pick from prior year
2026- swap right with bucks
2027- bucks 1st unprotected

Thunder- Own all of their future picks
2023- swap right with clippers
2024- Rockets pick if in 5-30 range, Jazz pick 11-30 range, clippers 1st unprotected
2025- They have a ton of crazy swap rights with multiple teams, Jazz pick 11-30 if no surrendered the year before, Heat pick 15-30, Sixers pick 7-30
2026- Clipper pick unprotected, Rockets pick 5-30, Utah 9-30 if not already settled, Miami unprotected if no already settled, Philly pick 5-30 if not already settled
2027- Philly pick 5-30 if not already settled, Nugs pick 6-30
2028- Nugs pick 6-30 if not already settled
2029- Nugs pick 6-30 if not already settled

If I'm Ainge I am trying to figure how to compete with these 3 teams moving forward and it is not easy. Even this year we talk about getting a lottery pick but the thunder and pelicans may end up with a better lottery pick than us from the clippers and lakers.

I wish there was a guaranteed way to make certain that we can compete with the best teams. Unfortunately there isn't.
Having a superstar, hella draft picks, financial flexibility, great coach, and great front office is sure a good place to be though.

 

[fishonjazz]

We don't have a staggering amount of assets compared to those teams.

Agree to disagree.

 

[LogGrad98]

The ideal scenario is seeing the Jazz win the title this year and Minnesota sucking so bad that they deliver us Wemby. The following throng must have something for which to express their enthusiastic "huzzah".

Duly amended to your betterment, good sir.