Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

Overall your assessment is definitely fair. The funny thing is I’ve been one of if not the biggest Conley defenders on here the last few years.

There are nights I get frustrated with Conley cuz guys are shooting over and through him... he's limited. Against the Hornets the other night he had like a 2 minute stretch where he was a terror on defense and I was like... Holy hell where has this been. Mike's great at maneuvering through screens and generally staying in front... he knows where to be. Sexton drifts in no mans land off ball too much still and sometimes for seemingly no reason. I think he also gets into guys and is really annoying when he is on ball. I don't think either guy is worse than Beasley on defense.

The biggest loss when it comes to Mike on court is we have a bunch of guys that tend to skew more towards creating shots for themselves... I wouldn't say selfish... but we have guys that I think prefer to score than set up guys. Removing Mike may create a semi-toxic dynamic there. If you traded Mike and got Kennard I'd definitely move Beasley too. I think that could help. I also think if Collin is playing more minutes he could be more ball movement oriented as he knows he will have his opportunities.

 

[Elizah Huge]

There are nights I get frustrated with Conley cuz guys are shooting over and through him... he's limited. Against the Hornets the other night he had like a 2 minute stretch where he was a terror on defense and I was like... Holy hell where has this been. Mike's great at maneuvering through screens and generally staying in front... he knows where to be. Sexton drifts in no mans land off ball too much still and sometimes for seemingly no reason. I think he also gets into guys and is really annoying when he is on ball. I don't think either guy is worse than Beasley on defense.

The biggest loss when it comes to Mike on court is we have a bunch of guys that tend to skew more towards creating shots for themselves... I wouldn't say selfish... but we have guys that I think prefer to score than set up guys. Removing Mike may create a semi-toxic dynamic there. If you traded Mike and got Kennard I'd definitely move Beasley too. I think that could help. I also think if Collin is playing more minutes he could be more ball movement oriented as he knows he will have his opportunities.

I agree with pretty much everything you said. We definitely have to move Beasley if we got Kennard. Sexton has been a pretty good playmaker when he starts at PG. I know our record wasn’t the best but he was averaging 5 APG and had a 5 game stretch there where he averaged 7 APG. A lot of easy assists from Conley go to Lauri coming off screens and curls which Sexton would become the beneficiary of.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There's a chance that the Lakers would reset quickly and the picks could be garbage but the two years before the whole league would fantasize about them and could be used in other trades. Hmm, if Kessler developed a shot then that's an just under an Jokic type of player but with an emphasis on the interior game...maybe not trade, but maybe I do...if we could get Victor somehow.

If you trade Walker for those picks then you may as well move Lauri too. Us being good on Lauri's timeframe requires us pairing him with good players like Walker sooner rather than later. I don't think its bad value per se... rookies can get over-rated and I think the Lakers are headed towards being a dumpster fire.

I wouldn't move Walker for that deal. His size, movement, coordination, and IQ may mean his ceiling is quite a bit higher than we think. I think Rudy is going to be more elite at a few things than Walker will be in his career, but I think Walker may be way better at smoothing out the holes in his game and could become a better playoff performer than Rudy was.

Also the two man combo of Walker and Lauri is a net +10.4 - that is very exciting to build around... and you can see how that will be a dominant defensive duo. Lauri is a good rim protector but not a constant rim protector. Lauri moves so well on the perimeter that it gives you the secondary defender that Rudy only had once in Favs... but the offense was iffy with that group. Lauri being a damn flame thrower makes that frontcourt good on both ends. Add some perimeter defense and some playmaking and you are really on to something. The best defenses generally have that rim protecting front like Lopez and Giannis, JJJ and Adams, Horford/Williams... we have a real base to build off of.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree with pretty much everything you said. We definitely have to move Beasley if we got Kennard. Sexton has been a pretty good playmaker when he starts at PG. I know our record wasn’t the best but he was averaging 5 APG and had a 5 game stretch there where he averaged 7 APG. A lot of easy assists from Conley go to Lauri coming off screens and curls which Sexton would become the beneficiary of.

Sexton also played different as a starter... which is encouraging... but you could see the wheels turning so it wasn't quite natural. He is able to collapse the defense and hit guys in the corner... its a simple read but really effective. Not everything has to be a Jokic cross court pass. I think its a game management thing... knowing when to score, when to setup a guy, when to take a certain shot, when to slow down... Conley is a maestro with that stuff.

I think we are both in the same place and I like talking it out this way. I'm good moving Mike if we get more than just cap space. It might be painful but the info is valuable and I do want to see if Sexton can take that next step. I worry about the long term effect if he is just okay in that role and we bring someone in to replace him as a starter, but he has to be self-aware and be a team player too. I love the guy and his energy is fun as hell. You never question if Collin wants to play basketball tonight.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Another wrinkle is that the Jazz clearly dont want Sexton being a starter. If you trade Conley that kind of forces you into starting Sexton.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

One situation to monitor too is Tyus Jones. I think Memphis rolls forward as is this year but I could see Tyus wanting a starting role next year and Memphis wanting stability at the backup pg. I could see an offseason deal of Mike to Memphis for Tyus. We give a pick in the deal so Memphis doesn't lose Tyus for nothing.

Its cool being the best backup in the league but Tyus will want to be paid as a starter and might have outgrown that role

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

One situation to monitor too is Tyus Jones. I think Memphis rolls forward as is this year but I could see Tyus wanting a starting role next year and Memphis wanting stability at the backup pg. I could see an offseason deal of Mike to Memphis for Tyus. We give a pick in the deal so Memphis doesn't lose Tyus for nothing.

Its cool being the best backup in the league but Tyus will want to be paid as a starter and might have outgrown that role

Id give up Sexton and the Brooklyn pick for Tyus. Memphis loves drafting late 1st round.

 

[framer]

Clearly Im the first person to ever be wrong about anything.

I think it is the fact that you are so spectacularly wrong on soooo many things then act with smugness and disdain toward other posters. Your lack of self awareness is almost like nothing I have ever seen.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think it is the fact that you are so spectacularly wrong on soooo many things the act with smugness and disdain toward other posters. Your lack of self awareness is almost like nothing I have ever seen.

I can bring up post of every user being spectacularly wrong on any given topic.

 

[fishonjazz]

My hunch is that just like Niang, he would commit to a longer term deal at just above the minimum. Niang was a more established player, so I think you could get NAW with a non-guaranteed year as well. If we could lock down NAW for something like 3/$12M with the last year being non guaranteed I would love it. You’ve got to have some cheap role players on roster.

I would be over the moon if we got him for that cheap.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Id give up Sexton and the Brooklyn pick for Tyus. Memphis loves drafting late 1st round.

I would too... but I don't think Memphis plays around this year. In the offseason I can see it though. I could even see it discussed now and general terms of a deal laid out. Might be best for everyone... Mike doesn't have to move in season. We don't move a guy that will participate in AS stuff. Not sure Mike would be enthusiastic about the **** show in LA and not sure they are like a no brainer contender right now.

If it was Mike and one of the picks we own from Cleveland or Minny for Tyus I'd be down.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would be over the moon if we got him for that cheap.

I think it could absolutely happen. NAW won't cost us a cap exception like he would another non-capspace team. I'd maybe even get more aggressive with the years and do like 4/20M if we could. I doubt he would get more than a teams bi-annual exception right now.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would too... but I don't think Memphis plays around this year. In the offseason I can see it though. I could even see it discussed now and general terms of a deal laid out. Might be best for everyone... Mike doesn't have to move in season. We don't move a guy that will participate in AS stuff. Not sure Mike would be enthusiastic about the **** show in LA and not sure they are like a no brainer contender right now.

If it was Mike and one of the picks we own from Cleveland or Minny for Tyus I'd be down.

Would likely need one more salary... Konchar or Laravia could smooth out the value there. With the salary they have coming down the road Jones won't be staying there beyond next year.

 

[fishonjazz]

Another wrinkle is that the Jazz clearly dont want Sexton being a starter. If you trade Conley that kind of forces you into starting Sexton.

Start NAW if you dont want to start Sexton.

 

[fishonjazz]

I can bring up post of every user being spectacularly wrong on any given topic.

Probably lack the smugness and insults that you have though. Being spectacularly wrong is the lesser issue.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Start NAW if you dont want to start Sexton.

But Sexton is clearly better than NAW (at least in an individual sense, the team sense could be debated, but it's not clearly in NAW's favor).

 

[KqWIN]

Another wrinkle is that the Jazz clearly dont want Sexton being a starter. If you trade Conley that kind of forces you into starting Sexton.

If you trade Conley, you're not cursed to start Collin Sexton for the end of eternity lol.

I really don't see what the big deal is with starting Sexton for the rest of the season, especially when the record isn't particularly important anyways.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If you trade Conley, you're not cursed to start Collin Sexton for the end of eternity lol.

I really don't see what the big deal is with starting Sexton for the rest of the season, especially when the record isn't particularly important anyways.

Because if the goal is for him to be this super 6th man type, you want him growing into that role and accepting it. If you give him the starter reigns only to take them away, that could be problematic.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Because if the goal is for him to be this super 6th man type, you want him growing into that role and accepting it. If you give him the starter reigns only to take them away, that could be problematic.

The human dynamic is real here imo. Imagine getting a promotion at work you really want and then 6 months later you are pushed back to your old position... you might be okay with that I guess but it is a concern.

 

[sip]

I think it could absolutely happen. NAW won't cost us a cap exception like he would another non-capspace team. I'd maybe even get more aggressive with the years and do like 4/20M if we could. I doubt he would get more than a teams bi-annual exception right now.

Getting NAW inked on a 4yr deal should definitely be a priority but I think odds are he takes the qualifying offer if we offer it or if we don't he is gone for sure. There is no way that he doesn't have a sour taste already with the way Hardy has treated him and it doesn't look like that is going to change. You can't blame him either. He plays really well and gets benched for no reason. Luckily he seems to be a great teammate or probably would have already asked to be traded since this is his contract year.