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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Ferguson_Mellochill said:
So you had the Jazz sending Mike Conley to the T'wolves, while playing the Lakers for a FRP on your bingo card?
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I dont follow. The Jazz "manufacturing" something tells me they were the architects. They were the ones who made teams want to do something/they held the power, etc.

All Utah wanted to do was dump a bunch of players and get first round picks. That would have been impossible without Minnesota stepping in. They saved us from a truly dissapointing deadline. It wasnt DA doing anything. Pelinka/Connely both sat down and had a fun time wringing out a bit of extra assets from DA.

Again, for the people who cant understand a layered opinion. YES THE DEAL WAS OVERALL A GOOD MOVE.. However, DA got got. He was not the one in the driver's seat. He did not manufacture anything.
 
If there's criticism of this LAL trade, I think the most legitimate gripe is that this should have gotten done before the season and especially when Bogdanovic was still on the roster. Maybe the Lakers were being more stingy back then, but if we're calling the tanking maneuver part of the value here it should have been done earlier.

The Jazz are better off now than if they did nothing, and it's hard to say they would have gotten better elsewhere after seeing the other deals.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I dont follow. The Jazz "manufacturing" something tells me they were the architects. They were the ones who made teams want to do something/they held the power, etc.

All Utah wanted to do was dump a bunch of players and get first round picks. That would have been impossible without Minnesota stepping in. They saved us from a truly dissapointing deadline. It was DA doing anything. Pelinka/Connely both sat down and had a fun time wringing out a bit of extra assets from DA.

Again, for the people who cant understand a layered opinion. YES THE DEAL WAS OVERALL A GOOD MOVE.. However, DA got got. He was not the one in the driver's seat. He did not manufacture anything.
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I disagree. Finding someone to take Conley's deal wasn't an easy task. The Clippers were the only team reportedly interested last summer. Lakers might have done this deal without involving Minnesota, but pulling in the Twolves got the Jazz lighter protections on the FRP, imo, because the Lakers now get to preserve cap space. I think the Jazz navigated this pretty well.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I disagree. Finding someone to take Conley's deal wasn't an easy task. The Clippers were the only team reportedly interested last summer. Lakers might have done this deal without involving Minnesota, but pulling in the Twolves got the Jazz lighter protections on the FRP, imo, because the Lakers now get to preserve cap space.
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Lakers would not have done the deal without Minnesota.

I highly doubt the Jazz wanted Minnesota involved. A 3rd team just complicates things further and makes you throw more things in to get a deal done. We also likely improved the Minnesota record this year (something people who are praising the move w/o criticism conveniently want to ignore).
 
MT Steve said:
However, if we're really going to play the "Bad takes" game, you wanted us to trade Mitchell for RJ Barrett and would absolutely froth at the mouth when people disagreed on the grounds that Barrett isn't very good.
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Those two had convinced themselves that Herro, Robinson, Jovic, and a couple of crap picks were all we were going to get.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Lakers would not have done the deal without Minnesota.

I highly doubt the Jazz wanted Minnesota involved. A 3rd team just complicates things further and makes you throw more things in to get a deal done. We also likely improved the Minnesota record this year (something people who are praising the move w/o criticism conveniently want to ignore).
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I wouldn't assume Minnesota nets more wins this year as a result of this trade. With KAT out of the lineup, they needed Dlo's scoring. Conley is a better partner for Gobert, to be sure, but the Twolves are actually just as potent a team with Naz Reid playing at the 5. Let's see where they are 10 - 15 games from now. It's going to take some time for Conley to be integrated and have a positive impact. This trade may really be about the Twolves preparing for next season, while trying to get a return for Dlo before he walks in free agency.
 
Flc said:
Ya'll think Lakers would have done last night's trade if they knew that Durant was heading to Phoenix?
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I think they should have knowing that. Anytime you can get 3 good players for a protected first you should do imo. They can probably end up trading Deangelo, vando, and beasley for more than 1 protected first if they want to anyway. Especially if those 3 players look even better next to lebron and AD.
 
I was going to keep reading this thread and then looked up and saw i was on page 1,521 and to get caught up I have to get to page 1,555.
Time to skip to the end
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And I think DA made a mistake not selling someone like JC for 2nds.

2nds have value now that teams are really holding onto first, or actually dont have any because only 1/3rd of the NBA has tradeable first rounders.

Why not get a hoard of 2nd rounders and further the tank?
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Because everyone knows we can't use second rounders. We have way to many firsts to digest as it is. No team is going to accept anything but firsts from the Jazz, just like someone would complain about a 10 dollar tip from Elon Musk.
 
The Jazz Wonderbra said:
No. If the Warriors are dumping Wiseman and Moody its for saving money. They cannot take back anything close to their contracts back. TPEs and or minimum contracts.
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Turns out they traded him for GPII who makes almost as much as Wiseman (although 3M less next year), who has one more year on his contract.
 
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Utah Jazz: A-

Although the Jazz's perspective is most straightforward here -- a team that's rebuilding, despite its surprising success this season, traded three veterans for a large expiring contract and a draft pick in a move that improves its lottery odds -- there are a couple of interesting decisions to unpack.

First, the Jazz were willing to include the Timberwolves in this deal despite having four of their upcoming first-round picks and a swap, starting this June. Presumably, Minnesota feels this trade makes it better this season, hurting a draft pick that belongs to Utah. But the Jazz's long view likely holds that swapping young for old will hurt the Timberwolves down the road, improving the future picks they hold.

Second, and related, was Danny Ainge's apparent eagerness to land a lightly protected (top-4) pick from the Lakers, taking one shot at a midlottery pick rather than trading Beasley, Conley and Vanderbilt separately, which presumably could have yielded a low-end first-rounder or two in addition to some second-rounders in the next couple of drafts. Instead, rebuilding Utah is improbably the team trading away second-round picks to make this deal happen.

Given how many picks Utah already has coming from the Gobert and Donovan Mitchell trades, that high-upside approach makes sense to me, rather than stockpiling increasing numbers of first-rounders.

Nobody would ever compare Ainge's style as a decision-maker to that of former Philadelphia 76ers executive Sam Hinkie. Like Hinkie, however, Ainge has repeatedly shown himself to have the longest view in the room to his teams' benefit.

Besides the pick, the other benefit of this trade for the Jazz is increasing their 2023 cap space. Taking back just one player (Jones) with 2023-24 salary gives Utah $30-plus million in cap space this summer. Extending or re-signing Jordan Clarkson, who is likely to decline his $14.3 million player option, would cut into that. Still, the Jazz should have plenty of room to add salary in exchange for even more draft picks.

As for Westbrook, it's hard to imagine he'll be asked to report to Salt Lake City. A buyout of Westbrook's contract makes sense for both sides, allowing Utah to recoup the salary added in this trade and Westbrook to pick his destination as a free agent.
 
YoungJefe said:
Those two had convinced themselves that Herro, Robinson, Jovic, and a couple of crap picks were all we were going to get.
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Sure... I said we should consider it if NY didn't pony up unprotected picks. Cavs gave us the unprotected picks... If Lauri stayed the Cleveland version of Lauri or the Chicago version of Lauri then the Heat package is still in the ball park. You can't call unprotected Heat picks "crap" and not say the Cav picks aren't "crap" btw.
 
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