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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Jazz didnt really manufacture anything.

They got lucky the Lakers wanted D'Lo and they got lucky the Wolves were OK with taking Conley back.

It seems like Pelinka had DA bent over his knee tbh. DA talked a big game and the only reason he came out slightly positive was because the Wolves saved him (for a price).
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So you had the Jazz sending Mike Conley to the T'wolves, while playing the Lakers for a FRP on your bingo card?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ehh, they are 4.5 games out of the 6th seed and they have a pretty easy remaining schedule. I think they will get one of the advantageous play in spots at worst, 6th seed at best.
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If the Lakers go 18-9 the rest of the way, I'll be thoroughly impressed. That will net them 43 wins.
 
Pretty meh trade deadline for the jazz. I'm glad we cleared out some guys that aren't part of the future, got a first, and made a decision which direction the rest of the season is going but they should have done a little more. Oh well, I hope we have a solid draft, FA, and make some trades before next season.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
So you had the Jazz sending Mike Conley to the T'wolves, while playing the Lakers for a FRP on your bingo card?
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I dont follow. The Jazz "manufacturing" something tells me they were the architects. They were the ones who made teams want to do something/they held the power, etc.

All Utah wanted to do was dump a bunch of players and get first round picks. That would have been impossible without Minnesota stepping in. They saved us from a truly dissapointing deadline. It wasnt DA doing anything. Pelinka/Connely both sat down and had a fun time wringing out a bit of extra assets from DA.

Again, for the people who cant understand a layered opinion. YES THE DEAL WAS OVERALL A GOOD MOVE.. However, DA got got. He was not the one in the driver's seat. He did not manufacture anything.
 
If there's criticism of this LAL trade, I think the most legitimate gripe is that this should have gotten done before the season and especially when Bogdanovic was still on the roster. Maybe the Lakers were being more stingy back then, but if we're calling the tanking maneuver part of the value here it should have been done earlier.

The Jazz are better off now than if they did nothing, and it's hard to say they would have gotten better elsewhere after seeing the other deals.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I dont follow. The Jazz "manufacturing" something tells me they were the architects. They were the ones who made teams want to do something/they held the power, etc.

All Utah wanted to do was dump a bunch of players and get first round picks. That would have been impossible without Minnesota stepping in. They saved us from a truly dissapointing deadline. It was DA doing anything. Pelinka/Connely both sat down and had a fun time wringing out a bit of extra assets from DA.

Again, for the people who cant understand a layered opinion. YES THE DEAL WAS OVERALL A GOOD MOVE.. However, DA got got. He was not the one in the driver's seat. He did not manufacture anything.
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I disagree. Finding someone to take Conley's deal wasn't an easy task. The Clippers were the only team reportedly interested last summer. Lakers might have done this deal without involving Minnesota, but pulling in the Twolves got the Jazz lighter protections on the FRP, imo, because the Lakers now get to preserve cap space. I think the Jazz navigated this pretty well.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I disagree. Finding someone to take Conley's deal wasn't an easy task. The Clippers were the only team reportedly interested last summer. Lakers might have done this deal without involving Minnesota, but pulling in the Twolves got the Jazz lighter protections on the FRP, imo, because the Lakers now get to preserve cap space.
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Lakers would not have done the deal without Minnesota.

I highly doubt the Jazz wanted Minnesota involved. A 3rd team just complicates things further and makes you throw more things in to get a deal done. We also likely improved the Minnesota record this year (something people who are praising the move w/o criticism conveniently want to ignore).
 
MT Steve said:
However, if we're really going to play the "Bad takes" game, you wanted us to trade Mitchell for RJ Barrett and would absolutely froth at the mouth when people disagreed on the grounds that Barrett isn't very good.
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Those two had convinced themselves that Herro, Robinson, Jovic, and a couple of crap picks were all we were going to get.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Lakers would not have done the deal without Minnesota.

I highly doubt the Jazz wanted Minnesota involved. A 3rd team just complicates things further and makes you throw more things in to get a deal done. We also likely improved the Minnesota record this year (something people who are praising the move w/o criticism conveniently want to ignore).
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I wouldn't assume Minnesota nets more wins this year as a result of this trade. With KAT out of the lineup, they needed Dlo's scoring. Conley is a better partner for Gobert, to be sure, but the Twolves are actually just as potent a team with Naz Reid playing at the 5. Let's see where they are 10 - 15 games from now. It's going to take some time for Conley to be integrated and have a positive impact. This trade may really be about the Twolves preparing for next season, while trying to get a return for Dlo before he walks in free agency.
 
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