Anyone know why Burks was a DNP?
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gregbroncs
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He would have exactly 0 minutes in games not already decided . So why does it surprise people that he does not play in a game that was close for the entire time.
Basically he has been judged by TY to not be ready. Hopefully if Bell keeps sucking it up this changes.
Basically he has been judged by TY to not be ready. Hopefully if Bell keeps sucking it up this changes.
candrew
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Calm down drama queen.
Burks played well Wednesday night against Denver - you really think the 18 minutes of Bell doing almost nothing were that precious that he couldn't at least have given the kid the chance to hear a loud ovation when they announce his name during the game so he could feel he was part of the home opener?
gregbroncs
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Are you serious?
No he should not care about the kids feelings in this. He needs to be ready to play to get minutes. They don't feel he is.
While Bell is getting far more minutes than he should. Your reason for giving Burks minutes is laughable. Burks should get minutes because he earns them and takes them from Bell. This is kind of the wrong year to be a young mid round pick. He did not have much time in camp and pre-season to show he deserves those minutes. His feeling should have nothing to do with his playing time.
candrew
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I know you probably had shut the game off by then (if you watched it at all); but Burks scored 15 points on 6 of 9 shooting with 2 steals in 10 minutes against Denver Wednesday night. He also played 6 minutes in The Laker game as well.
That is THE reason he should have at least had gotten a shot to play. The fact that it was his first ever home opener is an ancillary reason; but it is a reason nonetheless. If you have a basic understanding about managing people; you would realize these things.
InGameStrategy
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Exactly. And that's why a full DNP is so unhelpful; it is a missed opportunity to establish a baseline of performance for both the player and the coach's perspective on the player. It's a missed opportunity for valuable experience (and diversity of experience), even if it's for a few minutes at a time.
Taking a few minutes from Raja Bell (or Watson, who was having trouble with the 6'4" Holliday and wasn't running the offense particularly well) are places where Burks could've gotten some burn.
As for the previous games, there was plenty more opportunity because they evolved into blowouts--and Bell still averaged >20 MPG.
The impact of benching Harris for a few minutes vs. Philly and seeing him return with improeved performance is precisely the kind of coaching that can be imposed upon Bell, Jefferson, and others--especially now that Kanter and Howard appear to be a viable alternative to the starting lineups overall. Burks could be an even better alternative than Howard if he got some court time.
Because he's a ball hog. Jimmer and CJ look like Mark Eaton next to him.
Jordan wishes he saw as many "good shots" as he sees.
Jordan wishes he saw as many "good shots" as he sees.
BluesRocker
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It's because Corbin is looking out for Burkseses ppg
Corbin obviously feels Burks can't contribute right away. I'm sure Ty's first priority is to figure out the line ups and put together groups that play well together. Having a young Burks, who looks lost unless he's dominating the ball (so far), in there mucking things up will only slow the teams gelling process.
Baby steps. Burks will get some burn once the teams doesn't look and feel like a category 4 **** storm.
Baby steps. Burks will get some burn once the teams doesn't look and feel like a category 4 **** storm.
Chad Feldheimer
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Because Raja's 11 points in 62 total minutes is obviously more effective than Burks 15 points in 15 minutes so far this year.
Ellipse
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+1 Ty doesn't feel Burks development is worth pissing Bell off and creating locker room hate and discontent. Hopefully, KOC can find a solution for Ty. It's garbage time only for Burks ... for now.
Yup. And because Raja does all the little things like, umm, well, lets see, hmmm.
gregbroncs
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I was watching. It was nice. But it was also in a game that was already over. In fact all of his stats have come in games that were over at the time.
His feeling should have less than no impact to his playing time right now. It's not an ancillary reason. It's no reason at all. I own a successful company and manage people (both employees and customers) every day. You do not give resposibility to sombody you don't feel is ready for it. It creates more problems than it is worth. The coaches obviously don't feel he is ready.
As to whether he has earned the time or not, that is a different argument. One I would be inclined to agree with you on. I feel he should be playing over Bell. But his feelings have nothing to do with it. But that Bell is terrible and Burks can't be much worse.
InGameStrategy
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The best time to groom an ultra-young player; missed oppty by Corbin.candrew said:
Yeah, except for those 2 steals on defense and 6 for 9 on offense--on a very low sample size of a total of 15 minutes, btw. Or, if you were referring to the Laker game alone, 6 minutes is not enough time to really write a player off.
Sarcasm, CT? Trolling? Or are you really serious?
InGameStrategy
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But when it's garbage time, there's no downside, "being ready" is irrelevant, because there's nothing to "be ready" for, and there is no better way to refine skills (and identify weaknesses) than being on center court. Practice, game film, individual workouts with assistant coaches, and college/NBDL/overseas can only do so much.
Meanwhile, leaving Raja in the game instead of bringing in Burks sends a bad message that veterans get guaranteed minutes independent of their performance. (Fortunately, that theory was disputed by Harris being benched briefly vs. Philly and then playing better.) Even a few minutes of time provides huge benefit for especially a motivated player for improvement, and is more valuable than Bell playing another 5 minutes or so after he's already played 15 or 20.
This is why I don't buy the "tighten the rotation" theory, especially in a compressed season like this one. Developing depth and keeping legs fresh are far more important than any mild boost in chemistry from a smaller rotation--and the chemistry can be maintained well if only one player is substituted at a time, most of the time.
Excellent--a glint of wisdom.
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candrew
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That's not correct. He came into the Laker game in the second period when the score was 22-20. In fact his first ever defensive assignment was against Kobe.
vslice02
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As a fan on the outside I could argue Burks deserves more minutes - but I have no idea what goes on in practice and how much of a grasp he has on the offense. I liked what I saw from Burks in Denver but playing well in garbage time is still garbage time.
It's only Game 3. If he's got a long string of DNP's by game 43 then I'll be concerned but Ty spent 7 seasons coaching under Sloan - who liked to teach rookies lessons of preparation and professionalism by giving them inconstent minutes throughout their rookie season.
Also keep in mind despite his 3-year contract, Ty is a young coach with some but not unlimited job security. At the end of the day he's going to do what helps the team win - and if that's playing Burks then he'll have to do it.
It's only Game 3. If he's got a long string of DNP's by game 43 then I'll be concerned but Ty spent 7 seasons coaching under Sloan - who liked to teach rookies lessons of preparation and professionalism by giving them inconstent minutes throughout their rookie season.
Also keep in mind despite his 3-year contract, Ty is a young coach with some but not unlimited job security. At the end of the day he's going to do what helps the team win - and if that's playing Burks then he'll have to do it.
I think that's the reason, and I'm surprised so few people see it. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Burks. But he does seem to demand the ball on every play. I think Burks would make an amazing Deron Williams style PG if he can learn to penetrate, break down the defense, and pass. Regardless, I would like to see Bell with as many DNPs as possible. I'd almost rather see the Jazz play 4 v 5 than see Bell on the floor.