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Handlogten's Heros said:
I think it is so on brand that it is strangely likeable. His name being Grady Dick also helps... if his name was Bryn or Grayson then maybe I'd hate him. He just looks like the popular kid in the 80s high school movie that bullies the loser kid who ends up kicking his *** or stealing his girlfriend or both.

Klay at his peak was such a great defender... and I think Dick is smart... good steal rate and all that... just not sure he has Klay's lateral quickness and strength. I think there is a low likelihood you will regret drafting Dick. Which maybe means I should bump him up a few spots...
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I also think people are kinda giving his shooting a boost because he's white and the players he compared to are mostly white guys who are great at shooting. His shooting numbers are very good, but there are a few who are as good or better on paper but don't get the same respect IMO.
 
KqWIN said:
I also think people are kinda giving his shooting a boost because he's white and the players he compared to are mostly white guys who are great at shooting. His shooting numbers are very good, but there are a few who are as good or better on paper but don't get the same respect IMO.
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Such as?
 
Elizah Huge said:
Such as?
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Whitehead, Hawkins, Brice, Keyonte, Miller, and Jett all have a very similar or better projected 3FG% based on numbers alone. I'm not going to come after anyone who says Dick is the best shooter, but I feel like the others have an argument and aren't always being compared to the elite shooters in the same way.
 
KqWIN said:
Whitehead, Hawkins, Brice, Keyonte, Miller, and Jett all have a very similar or better projected 3FG% based on numbers alone. I'm not going to come after anyone who says Dick is the best shooter, but I feel like the others have an argument and aren't always being compared to the elite shooters in the same way.
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I’m actually pleasantly surprised at Whitehead’s 3PT%. I think it matters if you have a high % on more volume. Hawkins is an amazing shooter as well and that’s his best attribute. I see what you’re saying. I think it’s hard to definitively say who the best shooter is without considering the type of difficulty of shots they are taking along with volume.
 
I think I like Hawkins and Sensabaugh better, simply because they project to be drafted later. GD is a phenomenal shooter, but I’m not sure I want to make a huge, top 10 investment in that.
 
KqWIN said:
Whitehead, Hawkins, Brice, Keyonte, Miller, and Jett all have a very similar or better projected 3FG% based on numbers alone. I'm not going to come after anyone who says Dick is the best shooter, but I feel like the others have an argument and aren't always being compared to the elite shooters in the same way.
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The Tay Henny Hive would like a word.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I’m actually pleasantly surprised at Whitehead’s 3PT%. I think it matters if you have a high % on more volume. Hawkins is an amazing shooter as well and that’s his best attribute. I see what you’re saying. I think it’s hard to definitively say who the best shooter is without considering the type of difficulty of shots they are taking along with volume.
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Yeah I'm surprised with Whitehead too. He's much worse around the basket but a much better shooter than his rep coming into college. If he's on an NBA floor I think he might look a lot better.

There are some really good shooters this year.
 
What size of 3 point line does OTE play with? I would assume college since multiple people mention that the twins will be better with NBA spacing.
 
I saw a couple of Division 2 players that might worth an UDFA signing. They are almost twins at 6'8" 220 lbs. Both averaged about 22 ppg and 9 boards. One plays for Black Hills State and the other for Point Loma. One went to high school in the Denver area and the other in the Seattle area. Both shoot 40% from three.
 
KqWIN said:
Whitehead, Hawkins, Brice, Keyonte, Miller, and Jett all have a very similar or better projected 3FG% based on numbers alone. I'm not going to come after anyone who says Dick is the best shooter, but I feel like the others have an argument and aren't always being compared to the elite shooters in the same way.
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This is kinda overkill, but Ima just do a rundown as to what I think are significant differences. Let's start with Dick and see if any of the aformentioned check all of these boxes in the same way or better.

Dick:
-Freshman
-Came in with a reputation as shooter and can do it in a bunch of different ways (motion, some off the dribble)
-Played in a major conference (top-tier SOS. Also, Kansas' SOS is substantially higher than anyone but maybe Baylor but we'll mostly disregard that)
-made 79 3s at 40% (2nd in the Big 12)
-6' 8"
-.582 TS%
-18.1 PER

(note: text in black tries to communicate a wash [unless a factor cannot be improved a la "Freshman"])

Whitehead:
-Freshman
-Did not come in with a reputation as a shooter (I suspect his shots were more stationary as well)
-Played in a major conference
-made 37 3s at 41%
-6' 7" (but 220, probably has the edge here but maybe it's wash-ish)
-.532 TS%
-13.5 PER

Hawkins:
-Sophomore
-Without a doubt a great shooter
-major conference
-made 85 3s at 37%
-6' 5"
-.570 TS%
-19.4 PER

Sensabaugh:
-Freshman
-not sure his rep coming in
-major conference
-made 60 3s at 40.5%
-6' 6"
-.587 TS%
-26.4 PER

George:
-Freshman
-not sure his rep (but definitely shoots more off the dribble than the others)
-major
-made 76 3s at 35% (blech) (also shot 43% from 2... super blech)
-6' 4"
-.534 TS %
-18.3 PER

Miller is simply a superior player, not wasting my time

Howard:
-Freshman
-not sure his rep
-major
-made 78 3s at 37%
-6' 8"
-.562 TS%
-16.7 PER

I know you specifically said they compare similarly by percentage which is somewhat true, but I think there is A LOT more to consider if we're trying to assess exactly how they might translate to the pros and none of those players check the boxes like Dick. It'll be interesting to see official measurements because that is a meaningful attribute to how much one's shot can be bothered generally, but I think age is a huge component. I just don't think anyone compares favorably in all of these respects (save maybe Miller who is just on a different tier altogether).
 
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The biggest knock on Whitehead for me is that he barely looks 6'5 to me.

I'm sure Dick isnt 6'8 either, but he at least looks close to it w/ shoes.
 
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