Dame Time

[KqWIN]

The EV on two unprotected first round picks is like one NBA player. Not a superstar, but one player who makes it past his rookie deal. Y’all are tripping if you think that’s close to a framework to a deal.

We’re back to extremely overvaluing picks. Acting like a few picks and the indispensable “roster flexibility” is going to absolutely destroy the franchise is crazy.

 

[YoungJefe]

The Raptors should trade for him.

Raptors receive: Dame
Magic receive: FVV
Blazers receive: Suggs, Houstan, OG, 3 FRP Raptors, 1 FRP Magic

 

[fishonjazz]

Two unprotected picks and Sexton.

They’d say no, I’d say “okay, bye.”

Bake the ****ing cake unless there’s a serious star in their 20’s.

This. Hell, I think I would even try to keep sexton and give em tht or something lol.

 

[fishonjazz]

The EV on two unprotected first round picks is like one NBA player. Not a superstar, but one player who makes it past his rookie deal. Y’all are tripping if you think that’s close to a framework to a deal.

We’re back to extremely overvaluing picks. Acting like a few picks and the indispensable “roster flexibility” is going to absolutely destroy the franchise is crazy.

I'm not overvaluing picks I'm under valuing an old 60 million dollar per year point guard who hasnt much playoff success at all in his very long NBA career.

 

[KqWIN]

I'm not overvaluing picks I'm under valuing an old 60 million dollar per year point guard who hasnt much playoff success at all in his very long NBA career.

Playoff success is not an individual measure. If it was, than Dame's playoff record should be seen as a positive. Dame has only been favored in 3 out of 12 playoff series in his career. His four series wins exceeds the expectation set by series odds. In other words, he has won more than what would have been expected. If you are punishing him for his playoff record, you are punishing for simply having a worse team.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Playoff success is not an individual measure. If it was, than Dame's playoff record should be seen as a positive. Dame has only been favored in 3 out of 12 playoff series in his career. His four series wins exceeds the expectation set by series odds. In other words, he has won more than what would have been expected. If you are punishing him for his playoff record, you are punishing for simply having a worse team.

I agree with this 100%.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The EV on two unprotected first round picks is like one NBA player. Not a superstar, but one player who makes it past his rookie deal. Y’all are tripping if you think that’s close to a framework to a deal.

We’re back to extremely overvaluing picks. Acting like a few picks and the indispensable “roster flexibility” is going to absolutely destroy the franchise is crazy.

The EV on unprotected picks is not measured that way in a trade at all. Its not likely enough, but you have to measure the "mystery box" value. Its the same with prospects.... trade value isn't measured by some actuary on a spreadsheet. They are speculative stocks.

There are also a couple factors that will prevent Portland from getting a megahaul here. The contract is enormous... you can poo poo that all you want... an owner is handing over a 200M liability to another owner who is hoping it is an asset. It is tough to even make those deals work at times. Dame tears his achilles next year and that asset becomes a massive liability instantly. Risk is a big component here and will lower the value.

The other factor is doing right by Dame. He is the face of their franchise and will be loyal throughout... they will want to send him somewhere he wants to be... so that will limit some of the locations. Less buyers because of economics and player preference should drive the price down.

All that said... it only takes one *******. Or maybe more appropriately... it only takes one Minnesota.

We only have to give fair market value... and fair market value is slightly more than another "approved" buyer will offer. I think we'd be one of like 3-4 teams that have a real shot but haven't thought a ton about his market.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Raptors should trade for him.

Raptors receive: Dame
Magic receive: FVV
Blazers receive: Suggs, Houstan, OG, 3 FRP Raptors, 1 FRP Magic

Why do the Magic throw in a pick for ***** and giggles. They can sign FVV outright with cap space. Why do the Blazers want OG... he'd be the piece to spin out for more picks or a piece they would desperately want to keep.

They would be a team with interest... but it would more likely be a trade where OG is spun off to a team like us for a couple picks that go to Portland.

 

[KqWIN]

I agree with this 100%.

I actually made a mistake. He's only been favored in two playoff series his entire career. The total EV of series wins for his tenure with the Blazers is 3.7. He's won 4 playoff series total.

The only time he lost a playoff series when he was favored was his last series against DEN (basically a toss up series anyways) where he average d 34/4/10 on 66% TS. They were +27 with him in on the court and -38 in the 50 minutes without him on the court. This is the stuff people hold against Dame lol. His team getting absolutely wrecked by DEN, in minutes where Jokic isn't even playing a lot in those minutes, should not count against his record.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Playoff success is not an individual measure. If it was, than Dame's playoff record should be seen as a positive. Dame has only been favored in 3 out of 12 playoff series in his career. His four series wins exceeds the expectation set by series odds. In other words, he has won more than what would have been expected. If you are punishing him for his playoff record, you are punishing for simply having a worse team.

I would have some reservations just because I think Dame would have to play a bit differently to have success at the highest levels... but what would give me hope is Lauri and Walker would be like the two best bigs prime Dame has played with... and we'd have enough juice left to fill out the rest of the roster.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

As far as Dame's value... I think Donovan is likely a comp. So Sexton, Ochai, 3 firsts seems pretty fair. Add in THT and Gay as expirings so we still have ability to maneuver. I think age and contract value would actually have Donovan as a more valued asset even though Dame is a better player.

It feels about right to me too... as I would want to do it for less and would be hesitant given his age and contract. Portland loves to tank so they can continue with that for a couple more years and build up the asset base of the franchise.

 

[fishonjazz]

Playoff success is not an individual measure. If it was, than Dame's playoff record should be seen as a positive. Dame has only been favored in 3 out of 12 playoff series in his career. His four series wins exceeds the expectation set by series odds. In other words, he has won more than what would have been expected. If you are punishing him for his playoff record, you are punishing for simply having a worse team.

He is part of those "worse" teams though silly.
In fact he is the main part of those worse teams.