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KqWIN said:
The other difference is that I'm not going around guaranteeing that Clowney is going to be a three point shooter.

It's one thing to believe in a guy and think he will be the exception, it's another to act like it's not an exception that someone who sucks at shooting 3's at college will become good at it in the NBA. Flip's percentage isn't just bad, it's very bad and even lower than the "low 30's" mark being brought up multiple times. He's not even at low 30's! You seem to think that the fact that some guys did it automatically means Flip will. It's not impossible, it would just be exceptional for him to improve that much. I'm not saying it's impossible, but the confidence that people speak about his jump shot is kinda crazy.

It's also not the only concern with Flip. He has the worst percentage at the rim of any big man prospect, and it's not by a little it's by a lot. If it weren't for GG, he'd really be on his own island as everyone is like 10%+ better than him. I can already see the "bad spacing" comments. He's not the only big that plays with poor spacing. Two most important areas on the court for him and he was really bad at both.

It's funny because I think I was one of the first people who respond to @Handlogten's Heros saying that I like Flip..He's got an interesting mix of skills and size for sure...but it became clear that people like him MUCH more and too the point where they don't see being awful at the rim and awful behind the three point line as red flags.
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You can moan and groan all you want my man. Of course Filipowski has things to be concerned about. I just don't think that 3pt shooting is one of them.

Of course the dude has some roughs games and efficiency wasn't always there, but the guy was putting his team in position to win games as a Freshman on Duke as the focal point if the offense. His tasks were just harder than most other freshman.
 
Flip scored over 1/3rd of Duke's total points in a victory over Virginia in the ACC title game. That's how much Duke relied on him.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Like @Bodhi just said it sounds it’s hard to project how players with extremely small sample sizes will shoot the 3 in the NBA. Also, freshman with small sample sizes is even harder. You should almost just throw that number out for freshman because in the majority of cases it’s meaningless.

Also, please stop being disingenuous. Ayton shot 35 threes total and Bagley 58 threes total. Nobody was swearing that Ayton could shoot the 3 with 35 total threes attempted. Might as well throw out Kessler’s 3PT% in college while we’re at it.
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Oh please, everyone was hoping that Ayton could extend his range from college. He never did. I'm not even going to waste my time with this, this isn't what I'm arguing. Point is, if all you do is look for anecdotes to justify your opinion you will find them. What's actually ingenious is listing out Cody Kispert after he hit 44% from 3 two years in a row at Gonzaga lol. It was obvious you were picking and choosing which stats to show haha.

If you're going to throw out 3FG, go ahead stand by it. Tell me it doesn't matter for the majority of freshmen. Does it matter that Dick shoots 40%? Dariq 43%? Are all these just meaningless numbers? If that's you're thing say it with your chest. To me, this stuff matters. It's not gospel, but not something you throw in the trash can.
 
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KqWIN said:
Oh please, everyone was hoping that Ayton could extend his range from college. He never did. I'm not even going to waste my time with this, this isn't what I'm arguing. Point is, if all you do is look for anecdotes to justify your opinion you will find them. What's actually ingenious is listing out Cody Kispert after he hit 44% from 3 two years in a row at Gonzaga lol. It was obvious you were picking and choosing which stats to show haha.

If you're going to stand by throwing out 3FG, go ahead stand by it. Tell me it doesn't matter for the majority of freshmen. Does it matter that Dick shoots 40%? Dariq 43%? Are all these just meaningless numbers? If that's you're thing say it with your chest. To me, this stuff matters. It's not gospel, but not something you throw in the trash can.
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This is getting weird
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You can moan and groan all you want my man. Of course Filipowski has things to be concerned about. I just don't think that 3pt shooting is one of them.

Of course the dude has some roughs games and efficiency wasn't always there, but the guy was putting his team in position to win games as a Freshman on Duke as the focal point if the offense. His tasks were just harder than most other freshman.
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I think it's fine to be irrationally confident about a guy, that's part of the fun of following the draft. I think it's silly to act like 3FG% deserves no consideration and that there's no reason to be suspect about a guy's 3 ball when he shot 28%.
 
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They look identical to me, but I assume their mom can tell them apart. Amen is #1. Ausar is #0
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Yep. Identical for sure
 
Elizah Huge said:
I wouldn’t consider going from 39% to 37% losing your shot.
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How about being one of the most vaunted shooting guards ever in the NCAA and then not being able to shoot even just as good as you did in college and flaming out of the NBA?

You nitpicking every single example pulled completely off the top of someone's head is meaningless in the greater scope of the argument. The fact is that becoming an excellent shooter in the NBA after being mediocre in college is not the norm, it is an outlier. As is likely becoming a worse shooter overall. I think most players improve somewhat from college to the NBA....that is most players that actually make a career out of it. The reality is that the majority of those who are drafted or even set foot on an NBA court will not have a real NBA career, so improving your shot in the NBA is what the keepers tend to do. So all those that do not make it, and/or flame out, a good part of it is probably because they could not improve their shooting in the NBA. That and adapting to the speed of the game are probably the 2 biggest differentiators between those who make and those who don't.

If you care to argue the point feel free to do a full regression analysis using 500 NBA players of all strata and 500 players that were drafted but did not make it long-term, say more than 3 years in the NBA, and then see what the results are. Or you can just nitpick as long as it makes you feel better. Either way, have fun.
 
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that's kinda funny. two of those are playing against pros, one against the highest level of D1 basketball and the other against HS kids as a 20 year old. i'm not a thompson twin hater, but that just struck me as funny and while i'm not against taking them (after the first three i feel like the entire draft is a crapshoot - honestly, the i don't feel much more confident about the guys who might go 4th or 5th than i do the guys who might go 16th and 17th), they are very risky picks. but i don't know who isn't a significant risk starting at #4 and later.
 
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Would we be willing, or able, or even should we, trade those 2 picks to move up a spot and back a few spots to get Scoot? Or do we have the wherewithal to even trade to #1 in that scenario? It will be interesting and fun to see what DA can do with the picks we end up with. I am anticipating something happening beyond just picking some dude.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Would we be willing, or able, or even should we, trade those 2 picks to move up a spot and back a few spots to get Scoot? Or do we have the wherewithal to even trade to #1 in that scenario? It will be interesting and fun to see what DA can do with the picks we end up with. I am anticipating something happening beyond just picking some dude.
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No one is giving up Wemby.
 
Udidthizz said:
I still think the Thompson twins should count as just one pick. Would we take the pair at 1 over Wemby?
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I would, but I think I am in the minority here. We would immediately have great depth of really good talent and would still have a crap ton of cap space to bring in a star.
 
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