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Roster Building From Here - FA and Summer of 2023

Handlogten's Heros said:
Andy Larsens on the radio said when talking about guys they could sign that they’ve tried to trade JC in the past and not found a lot of takers. That doesn’t bode well for his FA and I can see us playing hardball with him… I think if he comes back the contract is likely a bargain… like 15M a year. MLE is 12M so he may find his market is not super frothy and take something 15-17M range.
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3 years $50M total would be great.
 
Eddie Zero said:
it's the entire what have you done lately thing. noone cares what he almost did a couple seasons ago. he was also the reason they didn't advance past the ECF and why the Hawks are shopping him, in addition to the fact the team was just as effective without him once Murray showed up. I would not discount the idea of him being successful if he was willing to take a lesser role, but as is, they have done everything they could to surround him with high level defenders to cover for him and let him be the key to the offense as the first option conductor. It isn't working anymore for him. He does not get the calls he used to get, still gets a lot mind you, the crafty little F, but the league has grown tired of his antics
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No!! It’s not working because they don’t have a #1 option other than a 6-1 pg, so instead of being a 6-1 playmaking sniper, he has to attack, and don’t bring up Murray because he needs the ball in his hand to be affective. He’d be a top 2-3 pg if he had some help, and didn’t need to be option #1
 
What I’m gathering is that there’s a belief that unless we get someone who would start on the Monstars we should not even consider them on our roster going forward.

Some of the same people who were disgusted by the thought of trading for defense on the last version of our Jazz team because “the grass isn’t always greener”.

Hope is a crazy drug.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Starting to think that probably the most obvious free agent pursuit is the best one after all: Jerami Grant.

He just turned 29 and put up >20 ppg on >.60 TS% which I’m sure is a very short list of players to do so. Dude is obviously a worker based on his trajectory. Has obviously traded defense for offense but I think he can turn that on when needed. Even without the defense, the scoring volume/efficiency, him being in his prime, and his ideal size/positional versatility is very valuable.

Even if the plan was to just eventually flip him, he could yield a haul, especially from a desperate team that still has draft capital.

This is gonna be his last/likely biggest payday so I think the money will be as much a consideration as anything else. The Jazz can provide a max contract which is probably what it takes, and maybe the Blazers balk at that.
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Jazz maxing Grant would kill his trade value. That's a no from me.
 
Summarizing my thoughts going forward.

• I suspect the Jazz are still going to be utter dog**** for the next few years in terms of W/L record. But having no expectations is playing with house money. To be honest, some frustrations aside, this was a fun season for me.

• The new CBA made our position that much stronger in terms of deals we can do. However, trading for superstar players rarely work. They usually don't provide the long term benefits that outweigh developing the assets you trade to get them, particularly when they are north of 30. Avoid that Siren unless it's surefire or dirt cheap (preferably both). Basically, the Mitchell deal versus the Gobert deal. Be careful there.

• This coaching staff has already proven it can develop players with Kessler and Ochai (and Lauri to a lesser degree, though he showed flashes in the Euro tourney last year). To me, Hardy and his crew seem to be the right folks.

• The Jazz should avoid any long term deals unless it's locking up their guys that will be here long term.

• In any deals, if they can grab a younger player that needs to rehab value (that wants to play, no Simmons) that can be had cheaply, that would be a good idea.

Replenish the depth, find your stars in the draft, and maintain cap flexibility where possible, though not at the expense of your franchise guys. Simple as.
 
So, listening to Locke explain his 26 wins thing, it kind of makes sense.

Basically you try and sign Clarkson on a value deal and dont sign anyone else. Bring back KO. Use all 3 draft picks.

Just play all 3 rookies significant minutes, especially the top two picks, and try to look for deals on Sexton/JC/KO (not necessarily all of them have to be dealt, but at least one).

I guess the wild-cards would be if Lauri/WK/Ochai all take big leaps and THT/Dunn are as legit as they showed for the past 20 games.


But the key is to really get the top 2 picks from this draft a lot of experience so by 24/25 season and then you have the Cavs/Wolves picks flowing in and you can really start making moves.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So, listening to Locke explain his 26 wins thing, it kind of makes sense.

Basically you try and sign Clarkson on a value deal and dont sign anyone else. Bring back KO. Use all 3 draft picks.

Just play all 3 rookies significant minutes, especially the top two picks, and try to look for deals on Sexton/JC/KO (not necessarily all of them have to be dealt, but at least one).

I guess the wild-cards would be if Lauri/WK/Ochai all take big leaps and THT/Dunn are as legit as they showed for the past 20 games.


But the key is to really get the top 2 picks from this draft a lot of experience so by 24/25 season and then you have the Cavs/Wolves picks flowing in and you can really start making moves.
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I didn't really buy it when Locke first started talking about it last week, but listening to Ainge and Zanik's press conference today, it sounded like they were trying to downplay expectations for next season. Maybe we end up keeping out draft pick next season after all...a 25 or 26 win season would kind of suck though.
 
Jingled said:
I didn't really buy it when Locke first started talking about it last week, but listening to Ainge and Zanik's press conference today, it sounded like they were trying to downplay expectations for next season. Maybe we end up keeping out draft pick next season after all...a 25 or 26 win season would kind of suck though.
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And if there was ever a season to have 25 wins, it was this one and they ****ed around way too much about it.

I am King Tank, but I don't see how the Jazz pull that **** next year nor do I want them to.
 
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Jingled said:
I didn't really buy it when Locke first started talking about it last week, but listening to Ainge and Zanik's press conference today, it sounded like they were trying to downplay expectations for next season. Maybe we end up keeping out draft pick next season after all...a 25 or 26 win season would kind of suck though.
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This is what I’ve said all along and I’ve been called an idiot for wanting to build the best Team possible. I’ve always felt this was the path the jazz needed to take after all these years of failed attempts at building a contender. Hopefully the jazz follow through
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So, listening to Locke explain his 26 wins thing, it kind of makes sense.

Basically you try and sign Clarkson on a value deal and dont sign anyone else. Bring back KO. Use all 3 draft picks.

Just play all 3 rookies significant minutes, especially the top two picks, and try to look for deals on Sexton/JC/KO (not necessarily all of them have to be dealt, but at least one).

I guess the wild-cards would be if Lauri/WK/Ochai all take big leaps and THT/Dunn are as legit as they showed for the past 20 games.


But the key is to really get the top 2 picks from this draft a lot of experience so by 24/25 season and then you have the Cavs/Wolves picks flowing in and you can really start making moves.
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Assuming we resign JC, our roster as currently constructed is better than it was entering this season. Development and better fits is why.

Dunn is a downgrade from Conley but not defensively and not by much. Jones is better fit than Vando and Ochai plays by the system and defends way better than Beasley.

Kessler didnt start until January and once he took the starter role we turned into a true .500 team. Before that we had .500 record with the setup where Vando was starting but it was assisted by the hot start.

We were also a .500 team even without Sexton and JC.. until the last 11 games where we executed a proper tank.
 
No matter what is the team beyond Lauri/Kessler/Ochai/Dunn and the rookies I guarantee the tanking wont be available. Whoever we have from this current roster on board are going to be just better. Rookies ofc will make some mistakes but in no world this team gets under 30 wins. Locke seems not to understand how god exactly our coach is.
 
Now that the Raptors were eliminated in the play-in and their season is a flop, what do you guys think they will do next offseason? Keeping an eye on Trent Jr and especially OG who is apparently a great locker room guy (friendly, fun-loving and goofy), puts in effort on both ends, knows how to play without the ball effectively.

I'm guessing despite his contract year they might overprice OG again though... but he is like on top of my personal list of guys I really would love to see here.
 
It’s dumb to guess at how many wins we will have next year with the amount of variance our summer could have. It’s weird for Locke to talk about this. 3 firsts and 50m in cap space…

We also should be trying to convey our pick next year. Start waiting until later and you start endangering some pick swaps.

Who on the roster is worse next year? What do we add with our space? Are they rookies any good?
 
HermanG said:
Now that the Raptors were eliminated in the play-in and their season is a flop, what do you guys think they will do next offseason? Keeping an eye on Trent Jr and especially OG who is apparently a great locker room guy (friendly, fun-loving and goofy), puts in effort on both ends, knows how to play without the ball effectively.

I'm guessing despite his contract year they might overprice OG again though... but he is like on top of my personal list of guys I really would love to see here.
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If memory serves, word around the campfire was they wanted 3 1st for OG. I'd be hesitant to do that on any potential 1 yr rental (PO in 24/25).
 
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