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Blind Taste Test - Pick 3 Players

Pick 3 of these guys just based on per 36 stats:

  • Player 1

    Votes: 2 3.9%

  • Player 2

    Votes: 15 29.4%

  • Player 3

    Votes: 11 21.6%

  • Player 4

    Votes: 38 74.5%

  • Player 5

    Votes: 1 2.0%

  • Player 6

    Votes: 30 58.8%

  • Player 7

    Votes: 23 45.1%

  • Player 8

    Votes: 15 29.4%
  • Total voters
    51
Handlogten's Heros said:
Alright... I've been labeled the #1 Ochai hater for simply saying "he might be pretty average and if we got a good offer we should consider moving him".

I thought I was number 1 until today. When none of yall voted for Player 5... which was Ochai. Yall hate him way more than me.

Here are the players:

1- Max Strus
2- Joe Harris
3- Coby White - same age as Ochai
4- Donte DiVincenzo - Number 1 vote getter
5- Ochai
6- Grayson Allen - Number 2 vote getter
7- Josh Richardson - Number 2 tie
8- Rookie year Norm Powell

I get it... he is a rookie and should improve... but is an older rookie and sometimes the things yall valued (rebs, steals, assists) aren't the things that improve a ton. It can happen but I wouldn't bank on it. I think Ochai will also improve... but the point of any potential trade would be to trade him on hype/momentum for something with higher upside. It needs to be a good deal... the equivalent of like a mid first round pick or moving up from 16 to 8 or 10... or from 9 to 5 or 6... but he is replaceable with very gettable players... if he improves by 10-15% I am not sure he fairs much better in this poll in a year.

If there is no value in a trade or if there isn't a better sg prospect that comes at 16 then of course continue down the road with Ochai and see if he pops.
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the fact he was a rookie and didn't get any real playing time until January, matters a lot. and i'll be honest, for that type of player, the only thing i'm looking at is TS% - once that is about equal, i'll look at rebounding and assists and that's why he didn't get my vote - the TS% wasn't good enough to overcome the fact he didn't produce in rebounding and assisting. iow, if he can get more efficient i don't care much about those things for a SG. put playmakers around him, rebound as a team, if he can defend, get to the rim, improve his ability to create his own offense and shoot 40%+ from three he's an extremely valuable dude to have around. my gut, and this may be the point you're making, is that he will never be a star wing in the league.
 
And I hope this thread can be bumped later as much or more than @Saint Cy of JFC 's thread about Walker going to the G League... I hope I can be as wrong as Cy. I just think Ochai is more likely a pretty average sg.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
And I hope this thread can be bumped later as much or more than @Saint Cy of JFC 's thread about Walker going to the G League... I hope I can be as wrong as Cy. I just think Ochai is more likely a pretty average sg.
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I would argue this is a higher level of hating. My whole point was WK is good, but needs touches to develop his offensive game that can only happen in the G-Leauge.

Your take is that Ochai is as average as it gets and should trade ASAP
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He's not talking to you anymore... since you said he sucks.
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I'll live with it. Once an infection guy, always an infection guy. Kinda. Not always. Definitely not in some circumstances. He can decide where he wants to be.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
the fact he was a rookie and didn't get any real playing time until January, matters a lot. and i'll be honest, for that type of player, the only thing i'm looking at is TS% - once that is about equal, i'll look at rebounding and assists and that's why he didn't get my vote - the TS% wasn't good enough to overcome the fact he didn't produce in rebounding and assisting. iow, if he can get more efficient i don't care much about those things for a SG. put playmakers around him, rebound as a team, if he can defend, get to the rim, improve his ability to create his own offense and shoot 40%+ from three he's an extremely valuable dude to have around. my gut, and this may be the point you're making, is that he will never be a star wing in the league.
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The point is really that he's fine... but if you got a good offer you should consider it... if you had the chance to sign a good SG you should consider it... if there is a guy like Hawkins on the board at 16 (not likely) you should draft the eff out of him. If not you keep him around and develop him... but I have serious reservations about anointing him our starting SG next year based on what we saw this year. He was fine.
 
Ochai is a high level athlete with great length and a beautiful jumper and we got people who want to trade him cuz his stocks are a percentage point too low.
 
JazzFanz: *vote in poll based on facts that Ochai is meh*

HH: Ochai is fine, but he shouldn’t displace attempts at improving his position or the team in general.

Also JazzFanz: “UR A H8R.”
 
NUMBERICA said:
JazzFanz: *vote in poll based on facts that Ochai is meh*

HH: Ochai is fine, but he shouldn’t displace attempts at improving his position or the team in general.

Also JazzFanz: “UR A H8R.”
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Literally not one stray vote landed on Ochai... and I didn't pick a list of world beaters. Wanted to have it be guys we could absolutely get if we wanted.

Since certain folks already had the belief I hate him... I wanted to give them something to point to... I'm a man of the people. Yall are welcome.
 
So when I said they all suck, does that make me the winner?
 
I will say that prior to HH having the stones to have an Ochai take that wasn’t boilerplate “OUR ROOKIE GONNA BE A STAR!” that Ochai just hasn’t really factored into my machinations for how to build a contender. Like, just doesn’t cross my mind.

Was it Thee that said that Ochai reminds him of Klay Thompson? I guess as long as we’re being homers, it’s fine to have weird opinions.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I will say that prior to HH having the stones to have an Ochai take that wasn’t boilerplate “OUR ROOKIE GONNA BE A STAR!” that Ochai just hasn’t really factored into my machinations for how to build a contender. Like, just doesn’t cross my mind.

Was it Thee that said that Ochai reminds him of Klay Thompson? I guess as long as we’re being homers, it’s fine to have weird opinions.
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Basically. I think its harmless to keep him and continue to see how he develops... like I wouldn't trade him for a pick in the 20s. I would only consider it if there was value attached. My concerns are we let JC walk out of this desire to make Ochai a starter next year or that we pass on a prospect I think is better (or a FA) because Ochai must start. His numbers just don't justify it. If he improves this summer and takes a big leap forward... great then he should start or get a ton of playing time.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The point is really that he's fine... but if you got a good offer you should consider it... if you had the chance to sign a good SG you should consider it... if there is a guy like Hawkins on the board at 16 (not likely) you should draft the eff out of him. If not you keep him around and develop him... but I have serious reservations about anointing him our starting SG next year based on what we saw this year. He was fine.
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I more or less agree with this. I really like Ochai...I like his length, athleticism, and I think he will be a 40% 3 point shooter for most of his career. Having said that, I don't think he should be in the same category as Lauri and Walker just yet. I don't think he should be off the table in trade discussions, and I don't think he should prevent us from drafting a shooting guard should the best player available on the Jazz's board be a shooting guard when they pick.

I hope they keep him and he continues to develop and turns into a really good starting two guard, but I definitely don't think he should be considered untouchable by any means.
 
NUMBERICA said:
JazzFanz: *vote in poll based on facts that Ochai is meh*

HH: Ochai is fine, but he shouldn’t displace attempts at improving his position or the team in general.

Also JazzFanz: “UR A H8R.”
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You can’t be serious. This is one of the worst threads made in awhile. Truly dirty work with zero context and extremely cherrypicked.
 
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