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2023 Trade Rumors and Gossip Involving the Jazz

Shad said:
Would anyone trade Victor for Luka straight across?
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Having Wemby as an asset for at least 7 years is better than 1-2 years of Luca to me. Plus we would lose not only Wemby, but also more players to match salaries and likely more picks.
 
I think the way to play this Wemby thing is to win the number one pick… then start a bunch of rumors and convos about Dallas trying to trade for Wemby using Luka… then we draft Wemby and later trade for Luka once he’s pissed about being in trade rumors… let’s make this an “and”question not an “or” question.
 
default said:
Having Wemby as an asset for at least 7 years is better than 1-2 years of Luca to me. Plus we would lose not only Wemby, but also more players to match salaries and likely more picks.
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Would actually be 4 years of luka.
 
fishonjazz said:
Would actually be 4 years of luka.
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Thanks for the correction. I read the wrong line on HoopsHype. I still don't think he would be worth Wemby, matching salary and the probable other picks we would have to give up. He is great on offense, but pretty poor defensively. He seems out of shape and doesn't appear to care to resolve that. I'd hate to give up so much, especially players on favorable rookie deals. I might be a bit biased though as I really just don't like him after watching him numerous times. Not necessarily his game, but him.
 
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default said:
Having Wemby as an asset for at least 7 years is better than 1-2 years of Luca to me. Plus we would lose not only Wemby, but also more players to match salaries and likely more picks.
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This is so true. Why would I trade Wemby for a black hole that would cost me more players and salary?
 
Realistically, I would be fine sending Dallas Rudy Gay and whatever combination of 7 players/picks they want (except for Lauri). IMO, Dallas would take 1) Walker, 2) 2023 Jazz FRP, 3) 2027 Cavs FRP, 4) 2027 Wolves FRP, 5) 2027 Lakers FRP, 6) 2029 Cavs FRP, 7) 2028 Jazz FRP (with Cav's pick swap).

Still would leave Jazz with: Luka, Lauri, Ochai, Sexton, Olynyk, Dunn, a few other scrubs, ~$30 million in cap space & 9 first round picks: 1) 2023 Wolves, 2) 2023 76ers, 3) 2024/25 Jazz, 4) 2025 Cavs, 5) 2025 Wolves, 6) 2026 Jazz (with Cavs or Wolves swap), 7) 2027 Jazz, 8) 2029 Jazz FRP, 9) 2029 Wolves (top 5 protected). If Ainge can't build a championship team with that then he should just retire.
 
baka98 said:
This is so true. Why would I trade Wemby for a black hole that would cost me more players and salary?
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There is a decent chance that Wemby is not a star. There is also a decent chance that he is like Zion (star quality but can't stay on the court). Luka is a known MVP/Finals MVP tier player who hasn't even reached his peak.
 
I could see it go either way, but Wemby is supposed to be a generational talent a la Dr. J and he will cost $6 - $10 million for 4 years and not $40 - $50 million.

You can build a contender around Laur, Kessler, Wemby, and 2 all stars that you use assets to collect.

Not sure about a contender with Lauri, Luka, assrts, and no cap space.
 
checkbookdoc said:
Realistically, I would be fine sending Dallas Rudy Gay and whatever combination of 7 players/picks they want (except for Lauri). IMO, Dallas would take 1) Walker, 2) 2023 Jazz FRP, 3) 2027 Cavs FRP, 4) 2027 Wolves FRP, 5) 2027 Lakers FRP, 6) 2029 Cavs FRP, 7) 2028 Jazz FRP (with Cav's pick swap).

Still would leave Jazz with: Luka, Lauri, Ochai, Sexton, Olynyk, Dunn, a few other scrubs, ~$30 million in cap space & 9 first round picks: 1) 2023 Wolves, 2) 2023 76ers, 3) 2024/25 Jazz, 4) 2025 Cavs, 5) 2025 Wolves, 6) 2026 Jazz (with Cavs or Wolves swap), 7) 2027 Jazz, 8) 2029 Jazz FRP, 9) 2029 Wolves (top 5 protected). If Ainge can't build a championship team with that then he should just retire.
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There is no way I give this much for Luka, no way. I don't care if Wemby is a star or not. I don't care about Luka at all. Why would I give them Walker and all those picks [and I think it would take 1-2 more players from Dallas' perspective] for a player while very good, is a killer for team dynamics. He is not a team player. He is a black hole that isn't worth getting and mortgaging the future for. I am not and will never be a Luka fan, nor do I ever want to see him in a Jazz uni. Just suicide if you go after him. He's never accomplished anything, but scoring. He doesn't get in shape. He has toxic relationships with his team mates. I'm sorry, you will never convince me that he is the answer.
 
I remember when the Jazz traded all their roll players and their future picks for the player that would put the Gobert/Mitchel Jazz over the top. Conolly was a really good player, but that deal sunk any chance for the Jazz to improve for years .
 
bopahull said:
I remember when the Jazz traded all their roll players and their future picks for the player that would put the Gobert/Mitchel Jazz over the top. Conolly was a really good player, but that deal sunk any chance for the Jazz to improve for years .
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Conley was a bad move, but completely disagree that it sunk any chance for the Jazz to improve. The Jazz squandered countless opportunities and refused to even acknowledge that major weaknesses were indeed weaknesses. You can improve a ton on the margins, people seem to think draft picks is the only way to improve but that is not true at all. It’s not like the Jazz were left without picks either, it was a sequence of horrible moves which included failures on all sorts of levels.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Little torn about this, but if VanVleet opts into his PO, it'd probably be a one year rental. An Opt out would be he's expecting a big payday (Houston?) and I don't really seeing the Jazz ponying 25m+ per for him.
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Someone will pay him… 25M is actually lower than I think he will get. If we could get him at 4/100M you do it in a second. 4/120M scares me but you could make the salary descend and take some downside off of it.
 
KqWIN said:
Conley was a bad move, but completely disagree that it sunk any chance for the Jazz to improve. The Jazz squandered countless opportunities and refused to even acknowledge that major weaknesses were indeed weaknesses. You can improve a ton on the margins, people seem to think draft picks is the only way to improve but that is not true at all. It’s not like the Jazz were left without picks either, it was a sequence of horrible moves which included failures on all sorts of levels.
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Was it a bad move. Cost a couple firsts but we got one back… realize it was in part because we offloaded other guys but without Conley that deal ain’t happening. 1 first and some opportunity cost for what we got ain’t bad at all imo.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Someone will pay him… 25M is actually lower than I think he will get. If we could get him at 4/100M you do it in a second. 4/120M scares me but you could make the salary descend and take some downside off of it.
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I'd rather spend that money on a younger guard honestly. Not to mention issues with timelines and the fact Ainge would rather trade away older players getting towards 30 and older (next season) than sign them in most cases.
 
KqWIN said:
Conley was a bad move, but completely disagree that it sunk any chance for the Jazz to improve. The Jazz squandered countless opportunities and refused to even acknowledge that major weaknesses were indeed weaknesses. You can improve a ton on the margins, people seem to think draft picks is the only way to improve but that is not true at all. It’s not like the Jazz were left without picks either, it was a sequence of horrible moves which included failures on all sorts of levels.
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Yep. I hated the Conley trade but what really sunk the jazz was Udoka pick and using the MLE on Favor and Gay when there were younger players on the market that made more sense. Replace Dok with Bane or McDaniels and Favors with the stretch big that we should have gone after in Bobby Portis and I think we may already have a championship right now.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Was it a bad move. Cost a couple firsts but we got one back… realize it was in part because we offloaded other guys but without Conley that deal ain’t happening. 1 first and some opportunity cost for what we got ain’t bad at all imo.
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I don't think there is any debating that it was a bad move. It created a mini me backcourt that made no sense with a guy that didn't fit the age range of our stars and drained our youth and a lot of future flexibility. Brogdon was the guy that always made the most sense and we were supposedly bidding with the pacers for Conley. We got Conley and they got Brogdon for a reasonable contract and future 1st. In the end though the dagger was still the Dok pick and poor use of the MLE's.
 
Just looking at current top nba players and Talent: the only players that I think would put us into title contention: Jaylin Brown, Luka Doncic or Mikail Bridges. Those 3 I think are good options and the only ones that actually increase our chances at a championship. All other players, van vleet, siakim, PG3, Lillard, imo, only get us to the playoffs.

I’d almost be more interested in roster building through the draft at this point.
 
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