Trade up? What are you willing to give up?

[Miggs]

Utah outgoing:
#16, Cavs pick, Cavs swap, Ochai, KO, Dunn. So, two picks, a swap, and a good rookie scale player. Not nothing.

Giving up 16 counts. The Cavs get one of their picks back and a swap which is immensely/especially valuable to them since it allows them to be compensated for having a bad season (and opens up the option of tanking). The Cavs are providing the most value in the deal and the Jazz are leveraging that relative value to maximize the return.

Respectfully, this isn’t enough to get us to #4. This would get us to 8 imo.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Respectfully, this isn’t enough to get us to #4. This would get us to 8 imo.

Donovan Mitchell was had for 3 picks, two swaps, and spare parts and everyone here is getting good **** so I respectfully disagree. If Houston doesn’t really like Cam Whitmore and they’re signing Harden they will want players a lot more than reaching on prospects/picks and maybe developing them while Harden is in his mid-late thirties.

Houston desperately needs a real center and they get a real good one (an all-star nod ain’t nothing). Plus #16, an unselfish PG that plays top-level defense (they don’t have a real PG), and a stretch/point big (who also played very well for them not that long ago). Since it’s still a question mark of if their young guys are actually good or not, getting some good vets matters a lot. If their young guys are good, then this gives them needed depth. They can have #28 too, they can turn #16 and/or #28 into other vets if they want.

In any case, the point here is I’m not selling a farm for Amen. The deal has to be right. It’s a stretch for Houston but if I’m them and I’m getting Harden then I easily prefer this deal (a fringe all-star at the position of greatest need, other key roster holes plugged, picks) to drafting a dude a don’t love at #4.

 

[HeatCheck]

I would move up only so far to take the wing that has fallen to the 7 range.

My guess that would probably be Ausur although maybe Whitmore drops?

Sadly both Amen and Miller are going top 4 and likely out of our reach.

Yes they have question marks but so did guys like Butler, Brown, PG, Kawhi when they came out of college. Everyone thought Ainge reached for Brown in that draft too.

I think the key is to also identify the prospect with insane work ethic who can be developed into a stud wing.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Donovan Mitchell was had for 3 picks, two swaps, and spare parts and everyone here is getting good **** so I respectfully disagree. If Houston doesn’t really like Cam Whitmore and they’re signing Harden they will want players a lot more than reaching on prospects/picks and maybe developing them while Harden is in his mid-late thirties.

Houston desperately needs a real center and they get a real good one (an all-star nod ain’t nothing). Plus #16, an unselfish PG that plays top-level defense (they don’t have a real PG), and a stretch/point big (who also played very well for them not that long ago). Since it’s still a question mark of if their young guys are actually good or not, getting some good vets matters a lot. If their young guys are good, then this gives them needed depth. They can have #28 too, they can turn #16 and/or #28 into other vets if they want.

In any case, the point here is I’m not selling a farm for Amen. The deal has to be right. It’s a stretch for Houston but if I’m them and I’m getting Harden then I easily prefer this deal (a fringe all-star at the position of greatest need, other key roster holes plugged, picks) to drafting a dude a don’t love at #4.

Donovan was not traded for 3 picks, 2 swaps and spare parts. Come on now.

3 unprotected picks 2/4/6 years in the future

2 unprotected pick swaps 3/5 years in the future

#14 overall pick of the draft

Collin Sexton

Lauri Markkanen

Both Sexton and Markkanen were serviceable role players at the time.

Secondly, Houston has Sengun why would they trade for Allen?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Donovan was not traded for 3 picks, 2 swaps and spare parts. Come on now.

3 unprotected picks 2/4/6 years in the future

2 unprotected pick swaps 3/5 years in the future

#14 overall pick of the draft

Collin Sexton

Lauri Markkanen

Both Sexton and Markkanen were serviceable role players at the time.

Secondly, Houston has Sengun why would they trade for Allen?

Sengun ain’t gonna be anchoring any good defenses. I think with Houston they will move with one player in mind… James Harden. It ain’t smart but that’s I think where they are. I could see Allen being appealing if they got Harden.

Sengun is a tough player to build around imo. Doesn’t have Jokics size so his defense is going to be far more problematic. He needs to shoot it or they need to pair him with a unicorn.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Sengun ain’t gonna be anchoring any good defenses. I think with Houston they will move with one player in mind… James Harden. It ain’t smart but that’s I think where they are. I could see Allen being appealing if they got Harden.

Sengun is a tough player to build around imo. Doesn’t have Jokics size so his defense is going to be far more problematic. He needs to shoot it or they need to pair him with a unicorn.

Sengun is good. I’d rather have him than Allen.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sengun is good. I’d rather have him than Allen.

I'll be honest... haven't watched enough of Houston to really have an opinion. I just think he's a tough player type to build around.

 

[KqWIN]

I've been skipping through some OTE games. Amen definitely has more superhuman athlete plays than Ausar....but Ausar makes more plays and does more "NBA things". Later in the OTE season Ausar is hunting his own jump shot whereas Amen is still kinda just relying on being a man amongst boys.

If we can't get Ausar at #9 he'd be a guy I'd be willing to move up for.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Donovan was not traded for 3 picks, 2 swaps and spare parts. Come on now.

3 unprotected picks 2/4/6 years in the future

2 unprotected pick swaps 3/5 years in the future

#14 overall pick of the draft

Collin Sexton

Lauri Markkanen

Both Sexton and Markkanen were serviceable role players at the time.

Secondly, Houston has Sengun why would they trade for Allen?

Is Sengun actually good? In other words, does he help you win games? He’s a pretty sorry defender and that remains the single most important attribute for a center. There’s also the matter of depth and Houston has 0 of it at that position.

And just because the spare parts were nice in our Cavs deal, they were certainly spare parts at the time.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Here’s the other, spicier Houston deal: WK for #4 (more or less straight up). Bonus is the connection with Jabari Smith.

Then try to sign Naz Reid (probably a better fit with Amen anyway).

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Here’s the other, spicier Houston deal: WK for #4 (more or less straight up). Bonus is the connection with Jabari Smith.

Then try to sign Naz Reid (probably a better fit with Amen anyway).

That would be a huge swing.

 

[NUMBERICA]

That would be a huge swing.

Amen requires a specific setup for him to play optimally. Playing on a good defensive team with 4 shooters around him is a pretty good ****ing bet. That could springboard him to be the Adrian Peterson of the NBA.

Of course, the other key here is still getting Hendricks which is an uncertainty at best that he’s available at #9. I’m hoping him measuring less than was hyped chills his value just enough.