Trade up? What are you willing to give up?

[NUMBERICA]

Donovan was not traded for 3 picks, 2 swaps and spare parts. Come on now.

3 unprotected picks 2/4/6 years in the future

2 unprotected pick swaps 3/5 years in the future

#14 overall pick of the draft

Collin Sexton

Lauri Markkanen

Both Sexton and Markkanen were serviceable role players at the time.

Secondly, Houston has Sengun why would they trade for Allen?

Is Sengun actually good? In other words, does he help you win games? He’s a pretty sorry defender and that remains the single most important attribute for a center. There’s also the matter of depth and Houston has 0 of it at that position.

And just because the spare parts were nice in our Cavs deal, they were certainly spare parts at the time.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Here’s the other, spicier Houston deal: WK for #4 (more or less straight up). Bonus is the connection with Jabari Smith.

Then try to sign Naz Reid (probably a better fit with Amen anyway).

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Here’s the other, spicier Houston deal: WK for #4 (more or less straight up). Bonus is the connection with Jabari Smith.

Then try to sign Naz Reid (probably a better fit with Amen anyway).

That would be a huge swing.

 

[NUMBERICA]

That would be a huge swing.

Amen requires a specific setup for him to play optimally. Playing on a good defensive team with 4 shooters around him is a pretty good ****ing bet. That could springboard him to be the Adrian Peterson of the NBA.

Of course, the other key here is still getting Hendricks which is an uncertainty at best that he’s available at #9. I’m hoping him measuring less than was hyped chills his value just enough.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Amen requires a specific setup for him to play optimally. Playing on a good defensive team with 4 shooters around him is a pretty good ****ing bet. That could springboard him to be the Adrian Peterson of the NBA.

Of course, the other key here is still getting Hendricks which is an uncertainty at best that he’s available at #9. I’m hoping him measuring less than was hyped chills his value just enough.

I get it, and like it, but wouldn't personally have the stomach for it. I'm just not that risk tolerant.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here’s the other, spicier Houston deal: WK for #4 (more or less straight up). Bonus is the connection with Jabari Smith.

Then try to sign Naz Reid (probably a better fit with Amen anyway).

I don't think either team would do it. I am not sure the name is big enough for Houston and its tough to give up Kessler... I think if it can't be done with picks I don't think we move up.

I think it becomes a situation where Detroit or Houston trade back to #9 for a future unprotected pick or Orlando wants Grady so they trade back to #9 on the cheap (#28 type value)?

Or DA gets intel that a team is gonna do something weird and just waits at #9.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don't think either team would do it. I am not sure the name is big enough for Houston and its tough to give up Kessler... I think if it can't be done with picks I don't think we move up.

I think it becomes a situation where Detroit or Houston trade back to #9 for a future unprotected pick or Orlando wants Grady so they trade back to #9 on the cheap (#28 type value)?

Or DA gets intel that a team is gonna do something weird and just waits at #9.

Right. But maybe move up twice (to assure Hendricks)? I just think Amen with a spread floor + setting up our guys would be a ****ing wrecking ball. Anything less than a spread offense with him and my interest plummets. But I am more certain that Amen will just wreck fools if he has that space than just about anything from any of these prospects (up there with Dick and Hawkins being really good shooters).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Right. But maybe move up twice (to assure Hendricks)? I just think Amen with a spread floor + setting up our guys would be a ****ing wrecking ball. Anything less than a spread offense with him and my interest plummets. But I am more certain that Amen will just wreck fools if he has that space than just about anything from any of these prospects (up there with Dick and Hawkins being really good shooters).

Yeah I get it... I am just not quite completely sold on Amen where I'm willing to trade up and start a full build around him. I think the foundation of the team is the Ivory Towers and then you make bets on guys accordingly. I would be on Amen but may not put as much in the middle to do so. I am not sure we will be able to efficiently move up and get both. Don't have to build the whole team at draft time... but I like the idea.

 

[LogGrad98]

I don't think there is enough differentiation in the top 10 to justify giving up anything to move up unless you get into the top 2. The odds of that are very slim. So hold the pick and package it to get a star.

 

[Mikle12]

How about trading for Portland's 3rd pick and taking Scoot Henderson with that 3rd pick. Just make 3 teams trade with Philadelphia and Portland? Philadephia is getting old and is in the situation, which they might have just to start over again, especially if Harden leaves or Embiid says that he wants to be traded. So what i am suggesting is that Philadelphia sends Embiid to Portland and Portland sends Scoot to Utah. And Utah sends something like 9, 16, 28 2023 draft picks and maybe Lakers first round pick and something like 3-4 more first rounders to Philadelphia and then just put needed fillers to make the salaries to match (can be done, tested it at ESPN nba trade machine). Idea is also not trading any of our future core players (Lauri, Kessler, Ochie) on this process. Then go after for some forward in free agent market or make some other trade to get one or just keep this draft's 9 pick and draft one (like hendricks, dick, whitmore?)? Any thoughs?

Ha ha what a horrible trade

 

[Keefe]

Donovan Mitchell was had for 3 picks, two swaps, and spare parts and everyone here is getting good **** so I respectfully disagree. If Houston doesn’t really like Cam Whitmore and they’re signing Harden they will want players a lot more than reaching on prospects/picks and maybe developing them while Harden is in his mid-late thirties.

Houston desperately needs a real center and they get a real good one (an all-star nod ain’t nothing). Plus #16, an unselfish PG that plays top-level defense (they don’t have a real PG), and a stretch/point big (who also played very well for them not that long ago). Since it’s still a question mark of if their young guys are actually good or not, getting some good vets matters a lot. If their young guys are good, then this gives them needed depth. They can have #28 too, they can turn #16 and/or #28 into other vets if they want.

In any case, the point here is I’m not selling a farm for Amen. The deal has to be right. It’s a stretch for Houston but if I’m them and I’m getting Harden then I easily prefer this deal (a fringe all-star at the position of greatest need, other key roster holes plugged, picks) to drafting a dude a don’t love at #4.

Donovan was not traded for 3 picks, 2 swaps and spare parts. Come on now.

3 unprotected picks 2/4/6 years in the future

2 unprotected pick swaps 3/5 years in the future

#14 overall pick of the draft

Collin Sexton

Lauri Markkanen

Both Sexton and Markkanen were serviceable role players at the time.

Secondly, Houston has Sengun why would they trade for Allen?

 

[Keefe]

I’d give up 9, 16, 28, six other 1sts we have over the next four years, and Lauri for the 1st pick.

 

[hgb]

I’d give up 9, 16, 28, six other 1sts we have over the next four years, and Lauri for the 1st pick.

I think that's crazy. In no way would I even consider that.

 

[fishonjazz]

I’d give up 9, 16, 28, six other 1sts we have over the next four years, and Lauri for the 1st pick.

No thanks. I wouldnt even do that for a giannis, booker, luka, tatum, etc. much less a dude who has done nothing in the nba.

 

[Jaymz]

Dudes off his wagon

 

[Nate505]

If we got Walker at 9 I'm ripping the phone out of the wall and grabbing a beer.

I don't even drink beer.

In anger or joy? I honestly can't tell

 

[framer]

In anger or joy? I honestly can't tell

In joy. If I am in the "war room" no more calls need to be made. We are good.

 

[oldtimer]

I’d give up 9, 16, 28, six other 1sts we have over the next four years, and Lauri for the 1st pick.

What? Go be a laker fan

 

[Eddie Zero]

No thanks. I wouldnt even do that for a giannis, booker, luka, tatum, etc. much less a dude who has done nothing in the nba.

I bet every gm in the league would trade all those picks and not the Finnisher or most of them with the Finnisher to land Wemby , and SAS would say gfys

 

[stormkoopacv03]

Not actually trading up, but trading down with the last pick. How about trading the 28th to Charlotte for the 34th and 41st picks? We could still get 2 guys like Brandin Podz, Tristan Vukcevic, Amari Bailey, Jalen Wilson, Julian Strawther, Jaime Jaquez Jr, Ben Sheppard, Emoni Bates, and Olivier-Max Prosper.